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That'll do, Newt

[gcthomas]

And whose country are most Americans living in? And many British are descended from Germans, French and Norwegians. Any less British or American for that. Can you think of any modern country that has only its indigenous population?

In any case, most Palestinians are descended from the christian and Jewish indigenous people from the area, according to the genetics. Some thugs, surely, moved in to run thing, but unless they managed to displace the entire population then that is irrelevant.

[Cam]

Originally Posted by gcthomas

You think a map proves it? The name palestinian is a recent adoption. Many of the people there have had their ancestors living there for centuries. The adopted the invading Arab nationality when it swept through the area along with some invaders. In Roman Britain, everyone was a Roman, but they were still largely the indigenous population. Same in Palestine.

I'd note that the indigenous population of the US spent a long time being called native Americans, even though they were there before the invention of America by the invaders. They are American citizens now, and speak English, but they were there first. Same for the Palestinians.

Interesting information regarding those we call Palestinian Arabs. And, your efforts to rebuff plainly dumb, brainwashed Christian Zionists is commendable- I just can't deal with the stupidity right now. I wonder, do you think the people of Deutschland can even say the word 'German'?

[Cam]

•10,000 BC: first permanent settlements in Israel
•7,000 BC: walls of Jericho built
•1486 BC: Canaanite army defeated at Megiddo by Egyptian pharoah Thutmose, consolidating Egyptian rule over Canaan
•1300 BC: Moses leads the Jews out of Egypt
•circa 1200 BC: Philistines arrive by ship and give the name "Palestine" to the area; Jews start to arrive in Land of Israel
•990 BC: Jerusalem captured by King David and Israel unified as one nation
•950 BC: First Temple built by King Solomon
•928 BC: After a fight over taxation, Israel splits into two nations: "Judah" in the south and "Israel" in the north
•597 BC: Babylonians send army to put down a rebellion and take prominent Jews into exile
•586 BC: Babylonians arrive to put down another rebellion, destroy the First Temple, and remove more Jews into exile
•539 BC: Babylonians defeated by Persians
•538 BC: Cyrus the Great of Persia allows the Jews to return to Israel and rebuild temple in return for loyalty oath to Persia
•515 BC: Second Temple built
•332 BC: Alexander the Great of Macedonia conquers Persia and takes over their empire, including Palestine; Hellenization of Israel begins
•170-164 BC: Maccabee revolt against forced Hellenization; Jewish independence
•63 BC: Roman legions, under General Pompey, conquer Jerusalem
•37 BC: Herod the Great installed by Romans as vassal king
•4 BC: Jesus born
•circa AD 30: Jesus crucified by Romans
•AD 66-70: Jewish revolt, war with Romans, destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple
•AD 73: Masada falls

http://photo.net/travel/israel/timeline

In all of human history, ancient Israel was an autonomous country for 800 years. It's tribal history traces back to the immigrant Abraham, who I believe was from what is now Iraq. By contrast, there was no country called Israel for 1900 years and the Ashkenazi Khazars in the modern country have no historic ties to the land.