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May 29th, 2012, 04:04 AM

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Marriage is not the same thing that it means to those who accept the rights by the State. To God, MARRIAGE is the “MERGER”, JOINING, CONNECTING, OR THE “SEX ACT”
Matthew 1

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.


The Holy Spirit must have missed that one when he showed Matthew what to write.





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May 29th, 2012, 04:34 AM

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Matthew 1

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.


The Holy Spirit must have missed that one when he showed Matthew what to write.

It says it in your own given verse. -- "Before they CAME (( TOGETHER ))" / JOINED / DID THE SEX ACT, - "TOGETHER".

AGAIN! – Betrothed, Espoused, or Promised, does not mean “MARRIAGE”, but “PROMISED”, which is a higher order of “union” than the MARRIAGE. - Marriage is for those who are weak in mind of a sexual nature. - Jesus and Joseph were not weak in mind, but were Betrothed / Espoused / Promised to their wives; NOT MERGED or MARRIED / COME TOGETHER / JOINED BY THE SEX ACT WHICH IS “MARRIAGE”. - The sex act is the marriage, not betrothed. – SORRY, but that’s what God is saying.

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May 29th, 2012, 08:35 AM

Betrothed doesn't mean marriage. It's a covenant, stronger than that of our "engagement".



   
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May 29th, 2012, 10:09 AM

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It says it in your own given verse. -- "Before they CAME (( TOGETHER ))" / JOINED / DID THE SEX ACT, - "TOGETHER".
And Matthew also says Joseph was her husband.





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May 29th, 2012, 10:42 AM

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And Matthew also say Joseph was her husband.


YES!!

If a man is just keeping HIS VIRGIN, and is not married to her, the man IS STILL HER HUSBAND.

2 Corinthians 11:2 KJV – “I have “ESPOUSED” YOU TO ONE “HUSBAND”. --------//--- This is not the Marriage of the Lamb. – The Marriage is accomplished when the Son leaves His Father’s House and CLEAVES TO HIS OWN WIFE, in His own House. In this case, the House is that Heavenly Jerusalem where Jesus’ Table is, where WE ALL SIT WITH THE SAINTS OF OLD. -- It’s just the espousal to Christ, the Husband of the Christians of the Apostle’s day, by Promise. - That’s before the MARRIAGE of the Lamb, which didn’t occur until the Coming.

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May 29th, 2012, 02:29 PM

Is there any way Biblically to show the act of marriage does not have to include sexual activity?

I am using this concept to explain: Matt. 19: 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.

Some will say: If it is not divorce for marital unfaithfulness, divorce did not occur, yet Jesus calls it the same word?

They then turn and say the “marriage did not occur because it is referred to as adultery” yet Jesus says they were married?

Then they say Jesus is really talking about sexual intercourse when He talks about marriage because that is required for marriage?

I am saying divorce did occur because that is what Jesus called it.

Marriage did occur because that is what Jesus called it.

Adultery occurred with the “marriage” to another person, which does not have to include sex, but it is the marriage itself.

This really has to do with the Biblical definition of: marriage, divorce, and adultery.



   
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Is there any way Biblically to show the act of marriage does not have to include sexual activity?

I am using this concept to explain: Matt. 19: 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.

Some will say: If it is not divorce for marital unfaithfulness, divorce did not occur, yet Jesus calls it the same word?

They then turn and say the “marriage did not occur because it is referred to as adultery” yet Jesus says they were married?

Then they say Jesus is really talking about sexual intercourse when He talks about marriage because that is required for marriage?

I am saying divorce did occur because that is what Jesus called it.

Marriage did occur because that is what Jesus called it.

Adultery occurred with the “marriage” to another person, which does not have to include sex, but it is the marriage itself.

This really has to do with the Biblical definition of: marriage, divorce, and adultery.


There is ONLY ONE way that “Marriage” “IS” NOT the sex act, and that is the marriage of the Lamb. You all will not hear the whole Truth of that matter. However, ---- The curse to the woman, was, >> “In pain and sorrow thou shalt BRING FORTH children, and thy desires shall be unto thy husband”. - That curse existed UNTIL THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB. – Now, that all things are fulfilled, including THAT CURSE, - God’s Children are born, or Brought Forth without that curse of bringing forth children in pain and sorrow. Now the Children of God are BROUGHT FORTH the same way that the SON OF MAN was BROUGHT FORTH FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Mary the mother, still was under the curse, but Mary brought Jesus forth from the PAST, not the present or future. -- Now, we are Brought Forth from the Past also by the Power of the GOSPEL / The Father’s “SEED”. That seed is planted, not by any sex act, but by the Righteousness of Christ.

Adultery, or Fornication, - the sex act, is the “ADULTERATION” of the “MARRIAGE” not the person. The marriage is adulterated, or made unclean by the SEX ACT of another person. That sex act is another “MARRIAGE” to the same person. -- Read Mary Magdalene.

None of you will really read this to hear it, but suit yourselves.

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The sex act is the marriage, not betrothed. – SORRY, but that’s what God is saying.

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The Lord Jesus Christ says you are wrong. As usual.


John 4:18

18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”


Sex does not mean marriage. Sex is to be the reward of marriage. Love intamacy, romance, sex, are putting the cart before the horse. Ever wonder why there is so much divorce? I don't.





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The Lord Jesus Christ says you are wrong. As usual.


John 4:18

18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”


Sex does not mean marriage. Sex is to be the reward of marriage. Love intamacy, romance, sex, are putting the cart before the horse. Ever wonder why there is so much divorce? I don't.



You're taking just what you think you can get away with, but you are not dealing with ME, BUT GOD!!!!

IF you can see, you’ll SEE that I said that the “SEX ACT” WAS the MARRIAGE, all along!!! I never said that the sex act was not the marriage. – YOU SIR! - ARE WRONG IN JUDGING ME WRONGLY!!!

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The Lord Jesus Christ says you are wrong. As usual.


John 4:18

18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; in that you spoke truly.”


Sex does not mean marriage. Sex is to be the reward of marriage. Love intamacy, romance, sex, are putting the cart before the horse. Ever wonder why there is so much divorce? I don't.


HUSBAND is spoken two different ways, or meanings.- The Husband is the (( HEAD OF THE WIFE ))!! (( OR )) The one who has committed fornication, or any SEX ACT with a woman, is married to that woman, and is “HUSBAND”, (( AND, - OR NOT )) The Head of that Woman. ---. - Mary had FIVE HUSBANDS and that ONE was not HER HEAD, HER HUSBAND!!!! --- YOU SIR, can take either HUSBAND you choose, and deal with God with it. - I care NOT!!!

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May 30th, 2012, 03:52 AM

If any of you sensible, or reasonable people care to understand more about this foolishness of the Mary Madeline situation, I’ll be glad to show you more. - Some foolish people don’t want to know anything, but lay back and wait to trap someone in their foolish makeshift snare. -- Their fruit is of that smelly kind that stinks to High Heaven. -- Any half-wit can see their ways.

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