[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by DaveDodo007

Satan now rules this planet and he says stop worrying and enjoy yourself as this is the only life you have, sorry he doesn't do afterlife so just let go.

He's like the guy on death row who thinks he's freer than he actually is. The prison door is standing wide open for those not already on death row. Walk out people and accept the pardon before it's too late.

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by glorydaz

He's referring to these verse, although I'm not sure of the point.

1 Cor. 15:7-8
After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Indeed. I was looking for the point. .

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by DaveDodo007

Satan now rules this planet and he says stop worrying and enjoy yourself as this is the only life you have, sorry he doesn't do afterlife so just let go.

That is more or less what he said to Adam, isn't it?

. .. . and now he says it to us__and for the same reason.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

Look around at what??

What did "someone" forget to tell__who??

What about the Lord doing what that needs to be appropriated??

Paul's "Thorn"?? Born outta season??

Are you in the right thread? What are you talking about??

That “thorn” that Paul described as a messenger of Satan is the law of sin (Ro.7:23) that still lived in his flesh even after he had already received the Holy Spirit of God in his heart.

By definition of the term “law of sin” describes it as a principality that means it is a life (aka light) giving source even though it is one predetermined for death. It lives in the “Adam” a.k.a. “the spirit of man” and is what makes the spirit of man a unclean spirit that has an appointed time to die. It is what causes Christians to continue to live in sin despite being given the Holy Spirit that is a spirit unto life if they would apprehend it as their own instead of just being a teacher.

The phrase used “born out of due time” translated refers to a premature birth, or said in other words Paul is speaking of himself and the others as being born prematurely. That is because their ministry prophesied of a ministry whose time had not yet come (but will) even though Paul and the apostles were already walking on earth doing the works of God just as if they were already reproduced copies of the pattern Son Jesus Christ. (manifested sons of God Ro.8:19)

Phil.3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

3 times Paul asked for this law of sin, a.k.a. thorn the flesh to be taken from him, but because it was not yet the time spoken in prophecy when it will be taken from mankind, forum member “burning bush” has said what they did.

Blessings

Doug

[Robert Pate]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

I guess everyone is either "stumped", "not interested", would only like to argue silly shallow "strife topics" or "too lazy" to look up a few scriptures.

Sorry to burst your "holiness bubble" being born again does not change the fact that we are sinners, 1 Timothy 1:15.

We are born into sin, Psalm 51:5. and we die in sin.

Paul never claimed that he had overcome his sinful nature, Philippians 3:12. He struggled with it, just like we do, Romans 7:18.

We are always in need of grace, we are always in need of the Gospel.

[chrysostom]

this is a test to see how well we can control our body

[Robert Pate]

Originally Posted by chrysostom

this is a test to see how well we can control our body

Here is the results of the test, Romans 3:10, 11, 12.

[ttruscott]

Originally Posted by Cross Reference

...Adam was created innocent. Ergo, Adam's soul knew no corruption, was not a "sinful soul".
...

So, if this is wrong, your hypothesis fails?

I believe the serpent, Adam and Eve all came to the garden as sinners...sigh.

Peace, Ted