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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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August 12th, 2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SilenceInMotion
Exactly. So why do people go to Hell, Pate? For getting kicked out the country club? Not agreeing with Pate's convictions?
They go to hell because instead of coming to Christ to receive his great free gift of salvation, they come to Christ to offer him their pious, self righteous, religion.
They go to hell because instead of coming to Christ to receive his great free gift of salvation, they come to Christ to offer him their pious, self righteous, religion.
Roman Catholicism is not self-righteous, because it is the hand of the Spirit which guides it. That's the contradiction of your contempt of the Church., it is the visible succession of Peter himself, who has the Keys.
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August 12th, 2012, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SilenceInMotion
Roman Catholicism is not self-righteous, because it is the hand of the Spirit which guides it. That's the contradiction of your contempt of the Church., it is the visible succession of Peter himself, who has the Keys.
The Holy Spirit and the Gospel are inseparable.
On the day of Pentecost Peter preached the Gospel and they came to Christ by the thousands.
Catholicism is a denial of the Gospel. No Gospel, no Holy Spirit.
In the Gospel Jesus Christ has ALREADY dealt with sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. By his mighty works he has ALREADY reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
The Catholic church is trying to do in their flesh what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ.
What this means is that your religion is a worthless sham.
I like this idea, I will avoid conversation with you in the future. I don't find you too compelling anyway, in fact you come across as one who simply likes to chime in and make snide comments, when you're rebuked you play games and double-talk.
I would have been more impressed if you'd used your own ideas instead of borrowing mine, I'm glad I helped.
I was chiming in which I'm sure we all do, there was nothing snide only an expressed concern on what I thought was more important then Pate's idea of blasphemy, which is the division some create within the Calvinistic community. There was no games or double talk, I recall you unjustly calling me a hypocrite that had no substance, you took most of my intentions to mean something else, all I could do was respond to your direct attacks. I was not trying to refute Calvinism in these posts, I have done so in others if you need scripture. My concern was about division and I can provide scripture for it if you need it, and didn't think any would debate me on the fact division is wrong, so I didn't feel required to provide any. My sole focus was not to compel All12Cylinders, so I'm glad I have not failed. I'm sorry you have to base your whole opinion about me on this one post, maybe you were just feeling too defensive being a Calvinist, and mistook my post for an attack on Calvinism, which it was not, it was in regards to certain individuals within the community. I'll try not to base whether or not to interact with you in the future from your replies to me in this thread, because I'm sure your posts can still help me to grow. If you feel I'm a danger to your growth, then I hope you would avoid my posts.
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Originally Posted by All12Cylinders
If you're going to call someone's viewpoint blasphemous, whether intentional or not - back it up with Scripture. Intelligent people understand they can't simply make statements, they need to support them, in our case with Scripture - not hyperbole.
It requires an immature person to chime in on a conversation with comments such as these - unsubstantiated:
I'm not sure it is blasphemous, that's why I was ambiguous in stating so. Like I said I do disagree with a lot of reformed theology, but I'm not sure it's blasphemous and I have used scripture in other posts to show such. Though this was not my intention in this thread to refute Calvinism as I have said. My views of those who create division with Calvinism is not unsubstantiated nor is it exaggeration, it's testimony of personal experiences. I highly doubt you never express your opinion based on an experience in your life, we all learn within our walks, that come from actual events in life and not scripture alone. I didn't know we were forbidden to do so when discussing theology. Again if you need scripture about division being wrong I'll provide it.
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Originally Posted by All12Cylinders
Translation: "I disagree with Calvinism but cannot argue properly from Scripture to point out it's faults so I resort to accusation, blasphemy sounds good. Additionally, I'll charge them with being judgmental, prone to false accusation, all as a byproduct of their teachers and their doctrine."
Explained above, and I already pointed out I explicitly said "some" so as to to infer all, in my original post. Though you seem to ignore any answers I give to your accusations.
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Originally Posted by All12Cylinders
You provide only rhetoric in 2 posts and a reference to John 17, this doesn't exactly prove any of your assertions, maybe you can hit the books and come back prepared to state with love and charity why your views are in line with Scripture and another man's are not.
John 17 was sufficient to express the magnitude of unity, I think it proves well my assertion against division. Nothing I said was not from love, for it is love for the body and the respect for how we portray Christ as the reasoning behind my statement. I don't need to hit the books to understand the dangers of creating division, and I didn't know you would possibly feel so strongly in favor for it, or I would've provided more scriptures against division, unless of course you also agree it's harmful.
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Originally Posted by ;3177735
In addition, you ignore that this thread title is making the same accusation. I guess this doesn't qualify as divisive because you happen to agree with it - what a sham.
Bon Voyage!
Again you understood nothing of my intentions or you would see that I didn't agree with the thread title and clearly stated my unsure position if there was blasphemy involved, and that there was a concern more weightier, which I've clarified numerous times in these posts. Maybe working on All12Cylinders has caused you to jump the gun, because you've missed almost all of what I've said. Seriously though I see no reason for us to misunderstand each other, and I pray peace upon you brother.
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