[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

another HUGE duh... one of the reasons i am Catholic (the primary reason being tht Jesus Christ establsihed the Roman Catholic Church... )

So delusional...

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by freelight

I commend your religious committment, as a true universalist and theist, such comes with the territory of devotion to The One, in whatever school or tradition we have chosen to worship 'God' within. The Eucharist is a wonderful venue for communion, although some approach such with subtley different perspectives and interpretations. I think at the heart of it though, we all agree on the essentials of it, metaphysics aside.

I occasionally keep up with Catholic culture and news on EWTN, and who could resist Mother Angelica? - in any case,....I'm about creative dialogue, inter-faith discussion, and ever expanding consciousness. 'God' is awesome, however we describe Him, so devotion is a natural gesture of our worship of that Great One.


pj

could u tell some of your spiritual background info?

and what keeps u from becoming Cahtolic?

[TruthSetsFree]

i gues he got scared that i would try to convert him?

[freelight]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

could u tell some of your spiritual background info?

See my profile, bio, blog entries, threads, posts, signature links (compository of writings) provided here. Learning is acquired thru research. To know one's spiritual flavor, a proper sampling is essential.

Universal, eclectic, all-inclusive here, ever expanding......

I Am. (this is my true 'name' and 'identity'...my very own 'God-presence') - all else is an adventure in consciousness, a play in space & time, an illusion of individual perception, a 'mummery' as it were. To begin to understand the dynamics of such, an insight into 'Non-Duality' is essential.

and what keeps u from becoming Cahtolic?

I Am 'universal' in essence. So, that makes me a true 'catholic' - just without the traditional/orthodox stigmas attached, since the I essence that I Am is free.

Remember 'God' is a universal Presence. 'God' is Spirit'. I relate 'God' to being 'Absolute Reality' before any image, thought or concept of 'God' is entertained or imagined by mind...because Pure Spirit-Being is before, behind and beyond all conception. What flowers forth within the play of mind, are images, thoughts, concepts, ideas about 'God',...but they are not Real God. But this is a deeper teaching.

Great teachers like Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj, can point you to that which is unborn, undying, unchanging....the absolute reality. In the pure Advaita Vedanta tradition the Self that is conscious Light is 'God', and that 'God' is not seperate from or different than the light I Am....since all there is....is God (existence, consciousness, bliss). - Familiarizing yourself with Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) and eastern religious traditions is also helpful here in 'inter-faith dialogue'.

i gues he got scared that i would try to convert him?

I suggest you do your homework and know who you're talking to

Not to toot my own horn, but to help remedy ignorance. Being one comfortable to native reality(as it actually exists), a pioneer in spiritual pathing and student of comparitive religions, if Spirit called me to the RCC I would likely be a devotee of that cult, however my wings have carried me beyond such 'traditions'. Being 'eclectic' I do not discount the contributions of the various world religions, but also recognize their limitations and tendencies that entrap rather than liberate. Therefore I'm a student of universal spirituality. Knowledge is all-cinclusive, wisdom all-embracing.

There is One Light, yet many rays streaming from one source.


pj

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by freelight

, can point you to that which is unborn, undying, unchanging....the absolute reality.

i have found God in the Real PResence in the Catholic Church... ther is nothing to compare to tht... because it is not human... it is Jesus HImself, and most ppl don't know Him well...

I suggest you do your homework and know who you're talking to

Not to toot my own horn, but to help remedy ignorance. Being one comfortable to native reality(as it actually exists), a pioneer in spiritual pathing and student of comparitive religions, if Spirit called me to the RCC I would likely be a devotee of that cult,

myabe u use the word Cult in a generic way, but i have done a lot of research... and have my experiences... etc... and i KNOW tht the RCC is the Church Christ founded on Earth the one He said the gates of Hell would NOT prevail against (ST Mt 16:18). After bein in His PResence... esp @ Holy Mass... well, i have no need of a man-made religion and Hinduism is that... But if i can be honest, i also think it is a demonic religion... long story why i say that... no time to elaborate...

however my wings have carried me beyond such 'traditions'. Being 'eclectic' I do not discount the contributions of the various world religions, but also recognize their limitations and tendencies that entrap rather than liberate. Therefore I'm a student of universal spirituality. Knowledge is all-cinclusive, wisdom all-embracing.

There is One Light, yet many rays streaming from one source.


pj

There are no limitations in Christ. He is God. He knows us inside and out... FAR far better than we could ever BEGIN to know ourselves... I ought to know... i have been trying to figure myself out for many yrs now... some sucess... but... we are created in God's image... so... i can't get anywhere without Him... Even with Him... i feel i will never plumb the depths.

[TruthSetsFree]

there is more about the Presence of Christ (God)

in today's Mass readings, which are posted daily here

[Choleric]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

cholera plaguim

here's your answer:

virtually the whole Old Testament speaks of God dwelling in the temple (the Ark of the Covenant), dwelling in our "midst" etc....

The veil was rent. God was not in the temple and is not now, as it was destroyed. God indwells people, not buildings nor organizations.

then there is Mt 28:20

Yes, and it doesn't say anything about God indwelling a building.

and a lot of others... But if you dont care enough to investigate this stuff by reading a good version of the Bible... um... u surely dont expect me to do your homework 4 u..

I showed you a specific verse from the bible that tells you what God does not indwell (buildings) and what He does, (His people, His Body, which make up His Church).

Again, if you feel you can dispute any of this with scripture, please be my guest, but you will not be able to. Repent TSF, Jesus alone will save you if you come to God by Him and not by your rcc.

cholera plaguim

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by Choleric

The veil was rent. God was not in the temple and is not now, as it was destroyed. God indwells people, not buildings nor organizations.

hmmm... i thought God could dwell wherever he wanted? you dont know the Bible... all thro it we are told that he dwells among us... and the OT is full of instances that mention God speaking to ppl in the temple... Peopl would GO to the temple s as to hear God speak to them... the mother of Samuel... etc...

Yes, and it doesn't say anything about God indwelling a building.



I showed you a specific verse from the bible that tells you what God does not indwell (buildings) and what He does, (His people, His Body, which make up His Church).

the Bible is incomplete & doesn't interpret itsefl.. and Peter says no scripture is up for private interpretation... read 1 Peter or 2 ... short books

Again, if you feel you can dispute any of this with scripture, please be my guest, but you will not be able to. Repent TSF, Jesus alone will save you if you come to God by Him and not by your rcc.

cholera plaguim

sorry you feel i don't have Jesus

I KNOW you do not have all of Him... that He gave us...

becaue u are not in His Church

(and it shows...)

not being a smart alec... just telling the truth

[Choleric]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

hmmm... i thought God could dwell wherever he wanted? you dont know the Bible... all thro it we are told that he dwells among us... and the OT is full of instances that mention God speaking to ppl in the temple... Peopl would GO to the temple s as to hear God speak to them... the mother of Samuel... etc...

In the OT system, we had no mediator between God and man. THe high priest alone could meet with God on behalf of the people once a year. He had to go into the Holy of Holies with blood. Mankind had to go to God through the priesthood, it was the only way to gain access, as only the priesthood was ordained by God to enter into the Holy of Holies.

When Christ died for the sins of the whole world, the veil into the Holy of Holies was rent and access to God ceased going through a priest, and instead went to God directly through Christ:

Heb_7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

When the veil was rent, access was gained through Christ, and God no longer dwells in temples made with hands:

Act_7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act_17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

God now dwells in people, and people are His temple:

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Bible is incomplete & doesn't interpret itsefl.. and Peter says no scripture is up for private interpretation... read 1 Peter or 2 ... short books

the bible has always been complete. The jews added their tradition and Jesus hated it.

And Peter was correct. We don't come to a passage and interpret it privately, we allow the bible to interpret itself. God determines definitions of words by the way He uses those words. Any man deciding what it means without relying on the Scripture to interpret it for him, is interpreting it privately.

sorry you feel i don't have Jesus

you are close. Here is a passage that reflects you quite well:

Rom_10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

I KNOW you do not have all of Him... that He gave us...

becaue u are not in His Church

(and it shows...)

I am in His CHurch. I was baptized into it by the Holy Spirit. I was simultaneously made a part of the "building", "His Body", and 'His Bride".

not being a smart alec... just telling the truth

Sadly, you still think you are telling the truth. In spite of all the verses that show you the church is not a building you can see, you refuse to believe it. I won't give up on you though. If we could turn that zeal in the right direction, we would have quite a soldier on our side.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Choleric

Jesus is in the temple. now, what temple are we told He is in?

1Co_3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

And what temple is He not in?

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;


God is in His people, He is not in a building made with hands.

Close thread.

Excellent post

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by Choleric

In the OT system, we had no mediator between God and man. side.

where in the Bible that you claim to hold to

does it say that God used to "dwell among us"

but after Jesus came, he would take His Spirit away from us?

and since J is God...

i guess God took Jesus away from the eaerth entirely when he ascended...

why would God who loves everyone equally

allow Jesus to walk in the flesh in one generation

but totally neglect all other generations???

[TruthSetsFree]

Ps 48

there are many other places where it speaks of God dwelling in the temple..

i will have them tomorrow

god willing

[HisServant]

WE are his temple now.

[freelight]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

[size="3"] i have found God in the Real PResence in the Catholic Church... ther is nothing to compare to tht... because it is not human... it is Jesus HImself, and most ppl don't know Him well... myabe u use the word Cult in a generic way, but i have done a lot of research... and have my experiences... etc... and i KNOW tht the RCC is the Church Christ founded on Earth the one He said the gates of Hell would NOT prevail against (ST Mt 16:18). After bein in His PResence... esp @ Holy Mass... well, i have no need of a man-made religion and Hinduism is that... But if i can be honest, i also think it is a demonic religion... long story why i say that... no time to elaborate...

Due to various circumstances, situations, environment, providence and timing....we all find ourselves in that special religious context that space has somehow afforded us I respect where everyone is at in their 'journey'.

Sanatana Dharma is a wonderful religious tradition, among the oldest on earth, - my particular interest and studies are mainly philosophical and that which touches actual spiritual experience, rooted mostly in the Advaita Vedanta tradition...yet the Vaishnava and Shiva schools also have various gems and insights. Vedic theology differs in certain respects than Abrahamic traditions of course, but there is a common universal truth and God-Presence behind all, since 'God' is the original source-condition from which all conditions of existence arise or make their appearance. There is only the reality that is 'God', behind all forms, the Only Light in which anything can be known, besides being knowledge itself.

One Light, many rays.

Out of black & white, are a infinity of colours........

Besides 'Non-Duality'(Advaita) you can check out our Hinduism thread to see my writings there. You may also share there why you believe it is 'demonic'. Love is universal.

There are no limitations in Christ. He is God.

There are no limitations upon that which is infinite. As to whether Jesus is 'God', thats a more complicated matter hashed out for many centuries, but explored elsewhere

He knows us inside and out... FAR far better than we could ever BEGIN to know ourselves... I ought to know... i have been trying to figure myself out for many yrs now... some sucess... but... we are created in God's image... so... i can't get anywhere without Him... Even with Him... i feel i will never plumb the depths.

'God' who is LIGHT, knows all that is knowable and possible. - so yes,...'God' knows us better than ourselves in his omniscience since we are limited by various conditions of space/time and the distortions of the mind (ego). The divine mysteries are not only limted to the sacraments within Christianity, you're ignoring the great religious traditioins of the east in your estimatation of truth, and 'dogmatizing' it to your own cult. I use 'cult' in its true meaning, not necessarily implying a negative connotation, for cult-ures exist due to their own unique organizations and proclivities. Christianity has converged many different schools into one in its symbolism, liturgy and worship, being a 'hybrid'. - this is true of other religious traditions more or less as well.

'Brahman' encompasses all the mysteries of 'God' in his 'personal' and 'impersonal' forms, within definition and beyond definition. 'God' in this aspect is truly unfathomable, yet the essential source and substance from which all actuality and potentiality exists.


pj