If I was 8 months pregnant and a life-threatening situation occurred, I would demand that my doctor give me a C-section so that both I and my child had a chance at survival.
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May 6th, 2012, 11:54 PM
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If she is 8 months pregnant and it's a normal pregnancy, no.
But if her life and health are at stake, YES !!!!!!!
Situations like htis DO happen. Sometimes pregnancies go terribly wrong at a late stage, and if the doctor does not perfom an emergency abortion, neither the woman or the fetus will survive .
To deny women the right to abortions in emergency situations is absolutely barbaric. No woman should have to die because of a pregnancy.
Anti-choice women here, would YOU want to die if you were pregnant and a situation like this happened ?
And men- if YOUR wife were in an emergency situation like this, would you want her to die. And suppose you already had other children.
Would you want them to be left motherless ?
Furthermore, women in the 8th month of a pregnancy don't just arbitrarily and capriciously decide to have an abortion this late in the game. This just doesn't happen .
Care to explain why someone eight months pregnant would *need* an abortion rather than a C-Section or labor induced?
In fact, there ARE medical emergencies where a c- section would not make any difference , and the woman would still die or be permanently disabled if an emergency abortion were not performed .
Just google these .
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May 7th, 2012, 08:32 AM
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In fact, there ARE medical emergencies where a c- section would not make any difference , and the woman would still die or be permanently disabled if an emergency abortion were not performed .
Just google these .
How about you gooogle them. It's your argument and you want your opponents to make your case? Set up your examples so that they can be shot down.
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May 7th, 2012, 03:18 PM
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If your nation had listened to God, there would be no Illegal Alien, without a birth certificate even elected as dog catcher in your country.
Come to think of it, I'll bet that there's not one anywhere.
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cant argue w/ that one
dang!
i guess i am used to arguing... dont like it but used to it...
anyhow...
the Founders listend to God as best they knew how... not easy to do when sepaarated from the Church as they were
Jefferson brought his daughter home from France because she was becoming interested in becoming a NUN... (she had been in a convent school... where they didn't even discuss religion!!! so this is rather interesting...)
so anyhow
there are things about Jefferson that i dont like... obvsiouly...
liberty???
how about the liberty of his daughter makng up her own mind what she wanted to do w/ her life??
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May 7th, 2012, 03:56 PM
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Just so that you don't look too foolish when you run up against a God-hating ACLU'er that tries to point out that all of the Founding Fathers were either deists or atheists, instead of using wiki as your source of information, try using Wallbuilders.
get info from books... am doing more research on this issue...
and Jefferson was NOT an atheist... and he got closer to Jesus as he aged...
John Adams was a devout Christian most of his life
and the others... well, i dont think any of them were atheist until possibly FDR but i dont know enough about him and many of the others to say... all i know is tht FDR was a virtual communist... at least socialist.... which is not too Christian
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May 8th, 2012, 01:23 PM
This is confusing and seems to contradict the second post here: In a book by Andrew Allison, and also in reference to another history book I can’t recall the title of, Jefferson won in Marbury v Madison Even so, he did not like the manner in which he won… did not like the new precedent set: Judicial Review (meaning: the Supreme Court has the final say in what laws are constitutional and which not…)
My comments are in brackets [ ]; all emphasis is added
[This is what Jefferson said (from the book The Real Jefferson by Allison) as to the Supreme Court’s capacity for violating the Constitution… and having too much power:]
[Federalism is essentially the belief that the federal government should be stronger than state government. Jefferson was an anti-Federalist or what we would today call a (true) Republican]
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“Federalism is still predominant in our judiciary department, which is consequently in opposition to the legislative [“branch of the people”] and executive branches [elected by the people]… able to baffle their measures often…”
[Jefferson] was especially concerned about the absence of any effective controls on the federal judiciary, and the… likelihood that power would gradually be transferred by judicial decisions from the states to the national government [blatantly the case in Roe v Wade]. Speaking of the federal judges themselves, he noted that it was “their peculiar maxim… that ‘it is the office of a good judge to enlarge his [sphere of power].’ We have seen… that… they are in the habit of going out of the question before them, to throw an anchor ahead and grapple further hold for future advances of power… steadily working to undermine the independent rights of the states and to consolidate all power in the hands of [the federal] government [or in modern days, we could say: “to consolidate all power in the hands of the federal government and liberal, godless causes.]
What Jefferson advocated was a Constitutional amendment to place the national judiciary under the control of Congress and the state legislatures. “Our judges are effectually independent of the nation… I would not… make them dependent on the executive authority… but I deem it indispensable to the continuance of this government that they should be submitted to some… control… a mixture of state and federal authorities… I do not charge the judges with willful and ill-intentioned error [He would if he lived today!)] but honest error [or error due to unfettered personal bias!] must be arrested where its toleration leads to public ruin… [Dred Scott… Roe v Wade]. Judges should be withdrawn from their bench whose erroneous biases are leading us to dissolution [Dred Scott… Roe v Wade]. It may… injure [the judges]… but it saves the Republic, which is the first and supreme law [for a democratic republic—as opposed to tyrany].
[I have never thought that Sup Ct justices should serve for life, which defies common sense, human nature being as it is. If someone knows he can never lose his employment… Is he always going to scrupulously care how well he performs his duties? Is he going to care as much as someone who is, say, being watched carefully by some kind of conscientious (in this case: Constitution, freedom-loving) “boss”? Maybe most justices are conscientious (?), but no human being is unbiased, and even if most are conscientious in following the Constitution, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch (wreck our government)
I tend to the think the Constitution did not go far enough in creating a truly democratic-republican system of government… But then… we do have the amendment process…]
[The book continues:]
[Justice John] Marshall established the concept of “judicial review,” enabling the federal courts to void Congressional laws by declaring them unconstitutional [How ironic since judicial review itself is unconstitutional…] … Jefferson [held that this] endangered the separation-of-powers principle… “[T]he opinion which gives… judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and [which] not, not only [in their domain] but for the legislative and executive… spheres [makes the] judiciary a despotic branch.”… [J]udicial review… which made the courts the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed… one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy… [J]udges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power… and their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that… with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots [How utterly prophetic!]
The exemption of the judges from [election by the poeple] is quite dangerous… I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of [government] but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.
This is the true corrective of abuses of [governmental] power… If the three powers maintain their… independence of each other, [this government] may last long, but not so if either can assume the authorities of the other.”
[Well, Mr. Jefferson, the judicial branch IS despotic, IS destroying our nation, HAS destroyed us (Dred Scott…Roe v Wade and etc… etc…) and the government you helped found HAS failed to last… We now have a Communist for president. The people did not elect him… anymore than the people wanted Roe v Wade (and etc). The Dred Scott decision, Thank God, was overthrown. But what about that worse-than-slavery issue of murdering our children?
I know of no one who is enthusiastic about our current, extremely pro-abortion president… except a few uneducated, unenlightened, socialistic people here and there (who don’t care about anything but their own concerns… and since they are already born…). I don’t know how he got elected except via corruption… corruption of a government system that… once resembled a democracy, but…no more… What you feared has sadly come to pass…
These are the words that stand out to me most at this time:
“I deem it indispensable to the continuance of this government
that [the Supreme Court justices] should be submitted to some… control… “
“…indispensable to the continuance of this government…”
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May 9th, 2012, 09:27 AM
if the precedent (unconstitutional precedent) of judicial review had not been instigated in this country (via Marbury v Maddison)
we would not have had 7 men on a judicial panel deciding that the state of TX had no right to keep murder illegal (Roe v W)
we would not have had Dred Scott that said Blacks are mere property w/ no rights
we would have had no Civil War if that decision had been rendered properly... which it would have been if put to a vote since most americans were against slavery
once again we see proof that humans need not only a Bible
(many of the Founders read the Bible.. I belive ALL of them did)
we need a CHURCH
We have had 500 years of protestant history (since Luther broke away in 1520) to prove how messed up we can get w/o the Church Christ founded..
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