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"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
Reputation:
The sophistry, deceit, of Preterist Tetelestai -
May 18th, 2012, 10:12 AM
“10 more posts by Johnny, but he still hasn't been able to show us one person before John Nelson Darby that ever taught about a secret parenthetical dispensation inserted into "God's plan for Israel".-Preterist Con Man Tet.t
Tet., on record, again, asserts that when you determine objective truth, determines if it is, in fact, objective truth.
"MAD is a false non-Biblical belief system that was made up my fallable men."-Craig
"This belief is the teachings of Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Bullinger, Sir Robert Anderson, Stam, and other men.None of the early church fathers taught this theory, its only about 150 years old."-Craigy in the Hilston debate
"MAD didn't exist until the mid 1800's"-Craigie
"My argument is that if there is not one single trace of something for 1,800+ years by anyone, then it was invented.”-Tet
"With dispensationalism, it is indisputable that it is a doctrine that was invented by a man."-Craigee
Read it-his own, on record, argument:
"My argument is"-Tet.
Fine.
"...,…. Deep down you know that your belief system has only been around for not even 50 years, and that it was "developed" by men.Your false teachings of men is a false teaching since there is not one trace of it in the first three centuries. None of the early church fathers taught your theory, its only about 50 years old.Again, when people try to make the Bible fit the false teachings of men, this is what happens. You are brainwashed by your man made theories...........you follow the fallible teachings of men."-Craigee
"Before these men came along in the mid 1800's there was no such thing as a secret "rapture", or Christ coming back a third time....Again, no one for over 1,800 years believed this until Bullinger came along. However, you think this is an irrelevant point."-Craigy
1. Show us where:
-Any of the church fathers taught Preterism/AD 70-ism
-Where anyone taught Preterism/AD 70-ism in the 1850’s
-Where anyone taught Preterism/AD 70-ism in the first three centuries
-Where anyone taught what you taught 150 years ago
2."MAD is a false non-Biblical belief system that was made up my fallable men."-Craig
"the teachings of Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Bullinger, Sir Robert Anderson, Stam, and other men"-Craigee
"it was "developed" by men"-Craigee
" try to make the Bible fit the false teachings of men"-Craigee
"Before these men came along"-Craigee
Go on record, sport, and tell us:
1. You do not follow the teachings of any man/men, including Preterist/ A. D. 70 teachers.
2. When you do, identify these"infallable" men from which you obtain these "infallable" teachings, per:
"MAD is a false non-Biblical belief system that was made up my fallable men."-Craig
3. Identify these women teachers you follow.
4. Go on record, and assert ,again, that when you discover objective truth, determines if it is, in fact, objective truth.
5. Go on record and assert that "The Reformation" doctrine of the 1500's is false, and "Roman Catholicism" was correct, since 1500 years passed, and there was " not one single trace" of it.
“IOW, you can't show one person that ever taught about a secret parenthetical dispensation inserted into "God's plan with Israel" before John Nelson Darby invented it in the mid 1800's “-Tet.
Preterist Craigie invariably uses this "teachings of men" sophistry, "Hail Mary," on every thread in which he participates, especially when he is getting picked apart. He does not have to "qualify" his disagreement with MAD proponents on doctrinal issues with us, with this "of men" sophistry. All he needs to to is assert that (fill in the blank) is a false teaching-no need to assert "of men" It's a deceitful tactic on his part, as if adding "of men" bolsters his "argument,"and he knows it.
2 Timothy 2:2 KJV
And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
Everyone follows the teachings of men, fellow members of the boc. That is the role of teachers in the boc.
"MAD is an unbiblical false belief system of fallable men"-Tet.
Notice the sophistry-as if he has the in"fallable" teachings of God.
He denies that he follows the teachings of men despite the fact that he has admitted that he follows Preterist teachers, and does have teachers.
Show us anyone that ever suggested what you teach, Craigee, on TOL, before you did.
Do be a dear, and show us, snake oil salesman.
You won't.
Again, show us anyone who taught Preterism, A.D. 70-ism:
-150 years ago
-1800 years ago
Show us anyone who taught, what you now "teach," before you did.
Were they men? Were they infallable?
Deceiving charlatan. I've asked you this numerous times, Preterist, and you punt it, and "scurry like a cockroach."(your words).
Why is that, Craigee?
“Name one man who taught what you teach, 1800 years ago, and before you taught it.”-John W
“I have shown you many times, and each time you ignore the post.Here are some, I have others:
Eusebius said the following in 314AD:
"And all these things were fulfilled when the seventy weeks were completed at the date of our Saviour's Coming"
Augustine said the following circa 400AD:
"For let us not suppose that the computation of Daniel's weeks was interfered with by this shortening of those days, or that they were not already at that time complete, but had to be completed afterwards in the end of all things, for Luke most plainly testifies that the prophecy of Daniel was accomplished at the time when Jerusalem was overthrown"
Origen in the second century said the following:
"The weeks of years, also, which the prophet Daniel had predicted, extending to the leadership of Christ, have been fulfilled"
Now it's your turn Johnny.
Show us anyone before John Nelson Darby who taught about a secret parenthetical dispensation inserted into God's plan with Israel?”-Craigee
“John Chrysostom said the following in "Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom" (bold my emphases):
"Having in remembrance, therefore, this saving commandment and those things that have come to pass for us: the Cross, the grave, the resurrection on the third day, the ascension into heaven, the sitting at the right hand, and the second and glorious coming"
The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was written around 400AD.
So, over 1,600 years ago, we see the teaching that Christ came a second time.
Back to you Johnny; please show someone before John Nelson Darby who taught that a secret parenthetical dispensation was inserted into "God's plan for Israel"?
According to 2 Tim 2:2 someone before John Nelson Darby had to teach about the secret parenthetical dispensation inserted into God's plan for Israel. (unless of course it is a lie invented by man)”-Craigee
Were Eusebius, Augustine, Origen, St. John Chrysostom, men, Preterist con man Tet.? Were they infallible?
Who taught Preterism, A. D. 70-ism, before you, deceitful one? Name them. Let's go. If not, it is of "recent invention," and it is false, by your own, on record "argument."
Who taught Preterism, A. D. 70-ism, before you, deceitful one? Name them. Name these "infallable" teachers of yours.
Name one person that taught Preterism, A.D. 70-ism, 150 years ago, Craigee.
"you can't show one person that ever taught about a secret parenthetical dispensation inserted into "God's plan with Israel" before John Nelson Darby invented it in the mid 1800's'-Preterist snake oil salesman
Show one person who ever taught Preterism/A.D. 70-ism 150 years ago, until J Stewart Russell came along; then and only then will men be able to teach others
Come on, liar., promoter of sophistry....name one person that taught Preterism, A.D. 70-ism, 150 years ago. Name one teacher.
Show one person who ever taught Preterism/A.D. 70-ism 50 years ago.
Man, or woman? Name him/her. Were/are they infallable, Craigee?
"MAD is of recent invention...MAD is a false unbiblical belief system of fallable men."-Craigee
Show us anyone that taught Preterism, A. D. 70-ism, before you did on TOL, con artist.
This deceiver will not answer that question.
You are a decetful punk, Craigee, full of sophistry, and most members of TOL know it.
Con artist.
Name these infallable teachers you clain you have, liar.
Saint John W
Last edited by john w; May 18th, 2012 at 10:36 AM.
Slogan/motto:
"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
Reputation:
May 18th, 2012, 10:19 AM
"MAD is a false non-Biblical belief system that was made up my fallable men."-Preterist Con Man Craigee
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"I believe a lot of things that preterists believe, however, I don't like some of the baggage that comes with calling oneself a preterist.
I asked Tet: Who taught you?
The serpent's response:
"Reading the Bible
Listening to sermons by pastors
Reading books and commentaries about the Bible
Bible Studies
Theology classes
Interacting on TOL
Having conversations with other believers
Unlike you, I haven’t subscribed to one systematic theology that was made up my men that keeps me from believing the Bible"-the Preterist Rabbi Tet.
"Listening to sermons by pastors"-Tet.
=made up my men
="man made belief system" Prove it is "God made."
Are pastors that teach you, men, Craigee?
Are they infallable?
Are these pastors women?
"Reading books and commentaries about the Bible"-Tet.
=made up my men
="man made belief system" Prove it is "God made."
Are the authors of these books that teach you, men, Craigee?
Are they infallable?
Are these authors women?
"Bible Studies"-Tet
=made up/taught my men
="man made belief system" Prove it is "God made."
"Theology classes"-Tet.
=made up/taught my men
="man made belief system" Prove it is "God made."
Are these teachers in these theology classes that teach you, men, Craigee?
Are they infallable?
Are these teachers in these theology classes women?
"Interacting on TOL"-tet.
=interacting with those men/women on TOL who teach/=made up my men
="man made belief system" Prove it is "God made."
Are members of TOL that you interact with, and teach you, men, Craigee?
Are they infallable?
Are these members that you interact with, that teach you, only women?
Con man. Deceiver. Men taught you, hypocrite, and flim flam man, despite your spinning like a top , bobbing and weaving until you have little circles flying around that mind of mush of yours.
Slick, very slick......slick as an eel, and serpent, slithering down a toilet/drain pipe. Pathetic.
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"You have to remember the agenda of the MADist. It's all about defending the teachings of the men they follow, NOT discerning the truth of the Bible."-Craigee
Identify these infallible teachings of God you claim you have, or these infallible teachings of women.
Slogan/motto:
"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
Reputation:
May 18th, 2012, 01:03 PM
"Just be honest Johnny. Go on record and declare that what you believe did not exist until John Nelson Darby invented it.Why do you deny the facts about what you believe?"-Craigee
Just be honest Craigee. Go on record and declare that what you believe, and what you teach on TOL, did not exist until you taught it, and that you invented it.Why do you deny the facts about what you believe?
Name anyone that taught what you teach before you taught it on TOL.
Is that person a man, and infallable?
Your "man made belief system" did not exist before you taught it. Name that infallable teacher that did teach what you believe before you.
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