[Nick M]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe they didn't? Maybe they didn't pick a President based on 2 or maybe 3 choices on the ballot.

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by jgarden

The fact that the majority of Catholic voters in America support Obama is indicative of a much deeper "disconnect" that exists between the Church and its parishioners.

The Catholic Church can "shed crocodile tears" about the sanctity of human life all it wants, but in this world, actions speak louder than words.

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Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way that leads to eternal life

so it stands to reason there would be FAKE Catholics and plenty of them...

after all... something like 9% of Jesus' 12 apostles were traitors (i am not good @ math but one out of 12...)

anyhow... Big deal some catholics are not Catholic

i heard somewhere that only 30% of "catholics" (but the 70% are NOT catholic)

accept Transubstantiation...

Does that make Transubstantiation untrue?

does 100% disbelieving make it untrue???

Why all the concern for what other HUMANS think or believe???

[Alexandros]

Are you going to keep harping on this for the next four years?

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by gcthomas

It has always been an unlikely partnership to have the Catholics in bed with protestant evangelicals on social issues. In Europe, where there are many political parties, the Christian ones are virtually all social democrat ones. None are far right at all.

In the US, the Catholic Church, although against gay marriages, does not agree with the religeous right in the treatment of homosexuals, with the Catholic Catechism requiring that homosexuals ...

No wonder that so many rejected Romney.

And from the point of view of a European voter, Obama would be a centre-right candidate. No-one there sees him as even a socialist, let alone a communist.

y no completion of the thought about homosexuals?

r u saying catholics dont accept them???

shows what u know if u r

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by Alexandros

Are you going to keep harping on this for the next four years?

who me?

sure


Are you going to keep harping on me harping on it for the next four years?

[Town Heretic]

Originally Posted by Alexandros

Are you going to keep harping on this for the next four years?

Odds are she would have even if Romney had won.

[gcthomas]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

y no completion of the thought about homosexuals?

r u saying catholics dont accept them???

shows what u know if u r

Oops. Had deleted the line before the ellipsis.

Here is the full quote:

Originally Posted by Catholic Catechism

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

So, for any Catholics out there, the message is "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." and homosexuality is "deep-seated" and a "trial".

On this account, criminalising a "disorder" would be immoral and against the teaching of the Church.

[TruthSetsFree]

Originally Posted by gcthomas

Oops. Had deleted the line before the ellipsis.

Here is the full quote:


So, for any Catholics out there, the message is "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." and homosexuality is "deep-seated" and a "trial".

On this account, criminalising a "disorder" would be immoral and against the teaching of the Church.

u draw the wrong conclusion from the right premise

it does not follow that just because homosexuality is a disorder it should not be cirminalized

in fact the opposite would seem to be indicated

we dont want to encourage CHildren

to adopt a perverse lifestyle... that will lead them to Hell...

people can think Hell is antiquated notion but... Justice never goes out of style

[gcthomas]

Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree

u draw the wrong conclusion from the right premise

it does not follow that just because homosexuality is a disorder it should not be cirminalized

in fact the opposite would seem to be indicated

we dont want to encourage CHildren

to adopt a perverse lifestyle... that will lead them to Hell...

people can think Hell is antiquated notion but... Justice never goes out of style

Homosexuality is not a 'lifestyle choice' that has been adopted. If you want to campaign about homosexuals who are promiscuous, or damage children or commit crimes, then do so. But to tar all homosexuals with the same brush is just uneducated bigotry.

Or do you disagree with the biological truth that some people are created homosexual? (animals partake in homosexual activity as well - seems it iis just a part of the the way the world was created)