How was McCarthy's insane accusations against thousands of people vindicated? Did they all turn out to be communist spies as he claimed?
The fact that an american citizen might be interested in communist ideals, and attend meetings with other like-minded folks does not make them communists, nor does it make them spies, and in fact it's not even illegal in a free society. So I can't see how McCarthy was ever "vindicated".
Interesting thread, and an interesting article by Enyart. I think he has a partial point, but he misses much.
Yes, there is a time and a place where a Christian should not be afraid to give offense to sinners. But Enyart doesn't say that---he claims that Jesus was mostly offensive to sinners, and that's simply not true. If he were so offensive to them, one would be surprised that he was always invited to dine with sinners and live among them.
So now that we have established that, I would like Clete or one of his ilk to explain to me what value is added to their online conversations with homosexuals by referring to anonymous people on the internet as "homos", "fags", and "queers"? In what precise way does that advance the kingdom of God? Do you think Christ would have dinner with sinners and get them to repent by using derogatory terms to demean them for their particular sins?
Clete, when you talk with an overweight person, I hope that you call them a "fatty", "slob", or "tub of lard" just so your ideology is consistent. There are far more unrepentant gluttons in America than unrepentant homosexuals.
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You make me sick! I want to vomit when you get near me or my family! You deserve execution you filthy discusting perfert! God is your enemy and so am I! Get away from me! You don't deserve to see God's sun light reflecting off my face!
None of us deserves to see God's sunlight. Surely you don't claim to deserve it!! We are all sinners---whether our sin is stealing a paperclip from a classmate or engaging in homosexual activity, we all are deserving of the same penalty. So perhaps a tad less Pharasitic self-righteousness from you would be in order, hmm?
Even if we're repentant of our sin we don't deserve anything but death. God wouldn't have to show us grace you know.
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My intent is not primarily to engender repentance in the homo's case but to impact those around him and myself in such a way as to cause them to think twice before associating or participating with homo's.
Yeah, because Christ would never have associated with sinners. (HEAVY SARCASM)
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That, however, is not at all the way you should treat people who are not only your enemies but enemies of God and criminals!
What happened to "love your enemies. Do good to those who spitefully use you."? They are the words of Christ after all.
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So, in answer to your question, if you catch someone in your employ who is a homo, or an adulterer then fire them. In some places doing so may cost you your business, in which case be patient and wait to find some other reason to fire them.
Yes---do the same with any fat people you have in your employ who are unrepentant gluttons. Fire them and don't associate with them in any way. That would help. (HEAVY SARCASM)
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As things are now, homo's and the like are running toward hell and most Christians wave as they pass and say "We love you...want to come to church with us?" It's discusting! I would prefer that we tackle them and break their legs (figuratively speaking)! They would like it at the time, but the swift decent into hell might at least be slowed.
Yes, shame on those Christians who try to reach the lost rather than revile them. Your way is much more Christlike. (HEAVY SARCASM)
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How does it feel to get accolades from gutter slime homo's in your statements against Christians?
Yes, if a homosexual ever agrees with a Christian on any topic, they must be bad Christians--at least not as righteous as you.
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Hate the sin and love the sinner is not a Biblical concept.
Hogwash.
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Enyart does not think that we should hate nonchristians you disgusting vomitous mass of filth!
He thinks, as do I, that we should hate homo's like you which is at the same time the most loving thing possible.
Glad God doesn't think that way. Why is homosexuality your favorite sin to pick on? Try substituting other sins in for homosexuality and read your own sentences back and listen to what they say.
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Can you produce anything to back up this idiotic claim? You are not only preverted but a liar!
I can't wait for judgment day!
Longing for judgement day to come soon so that "perverted liars" can be condemned to eternity of hell is sick, twisted, unChristian thing I can conceive of. But I suppose it would be a great chance for you to say "I told you so".
It's amazing that I have to specify where I'm being sarcastic, but after reading some of these outrageous quotes which I was quite sure were absurdities, and then finding out that they were not, I find it necessary to specify my tone.
To be honest, the evidence to suggest that McCarthy was gay is on the light side. The transvestitism rumors were entirely hearsay from someone who bore a grudge against McCarthy. That, and he did spend an inordinate amount of time with his deputy, Clyde Tolson.
Roy Cohn was a grotesque hypocrite who was as gay as a window, if not gayer.
"If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth,
rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else,
you see that we are the earth,
we are the consciousness of the earth.
These are the eyes of the Earth.
And this is the voice of the earth."
To be honest, the evidence to suggest that McCarthy was gay is on the light side. The transvestitism rumors were entirely hearsay from someone who bore a grudge against McCarthy. That, and he did spend an inordinate amount of time with his deputy, Clyde Tolson.
Roy Cohn was a grotesque hypocrite who was as gay as a window, if not gayer.
You're thinking about Hoover, not McCarthy.
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
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July 16th, 2010, 04:01 PM
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Clete,
It is NOT justice to execute 2 grown men for having sex with no coercion …
So says you.
God disagrees.
I'll go with God on this one.
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You are basing this PURELY on your interpretation of your religion ! You keep saying the BIBLE says so…
I don't merely say it, I quote the passages that clearly do say it without any need for interpretation.
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END OF STORY..
You ARE proposing we live by YOUR religious laws…
It is NO different to the Muslims… Not only are you a homophobic loon but you are also a hypocrite !
The difference is that Muslims have an irrational religion in which they worship a god that does not exist. I, on the other hand, worship the God who not only exists but that both myself and all Muslims will one day bow before.
And this really is the crux of the issue. It comes down to whether or not the God of Scripture exists. If He does then my position is not only correct but also righteous. If He does not, then my position is neither correct nor just.
Bottom line is that no one who calls themselves a Christian should hold to your view, that executing homos is unjust. Indeed, anyone who calls themselves a Christian and does not hold the view that homos should be executed (via due process of law, by the way) is the hypocrite, not me. It is he who is nicer than the God the profess to worship who is the hypocrite, not he who stands up and is proud of his God's righteous judgment.
Now, there are questions that should rationally follow from what I've said here. While question concerning the existence of God are valid, I am not willing to have that conversation here as the entire issue of being "nicer than God" presupposes God's existence. Questions having to do with certain aspects of Old Testament law, however, I would be willing to entertain and answer so long as the conversation remains rooted in something resembling rationality. Of course, we'll have to wait until you are no longer banned but perhaps there are others here who are willing to pick up where you left off.
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There are those of you that think people like me are too harsh, that I and others like me should be nicer.
Well I say noway Jack!
Well, alrighty then! (I do agree.)
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Today we are way nicer than God. It is tragic. This spiritual plateau that the Church has reached conveniently reduces the chances for confrontation. Nice people rarely rebuke, judge, confront, accuse or condemn. Nice people have less stress. It seems the only ones that Christians are quick to judge and condemn are fellow believers who judge and condemn the wicked. Go figure.
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July 19th, 2010, 08:08 PM
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What is the most loving thing you can say to a homo?
You make me sick! I want to vomit when you get near me or my family! You deserve execution you filthy discusting perfert! God is your enemy and so am I! Get away from me! You don't deserve to see God's sun light reflecting off my face!
Or something along those lines.
And no I am not kidding.
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WOW, is the first thing that comes to mind. I was somehow under the impression that Christianity taught this "love they neighbor" thing, apparently, someone hasn't heard that part of the New Testament.
REALLY, you say that to all of the homosexuals you meet? So, you say that, what about ten to twenty times a day? Well, I make the assumption that you live in society, perhaps you live in your own world, and there are no homosexuals in there. Just my humble thoughts. How long have you been an angry Christian?
You make me sick, and ashamed to breathe the same air. You'll call me a bleeding heart liberal I assume, far from it actually, but my opinion is that ALL men have a right to walk, talk, breathe, live, and love however the hell they please. Go ahead and hide behind your homophobic religion as a way to shroud the fact that you're just a sad, pathetic little man who is just grossed out by two guys getting it on, as it were.
Dont get me wrong, I love the ladies, and the idea of doing another guy grosses me out, but you have gone too far. I'm not asking you to change a thing. By all means, keep saying what you're saying. All you are doing is proving the point that all christians are intolerant, abusive, hateful people. You are a waste of flesh, and although I dont believe in it, I sincerely hope you burn in hell.
...but my opinion is that ALL men have a right to walk, talk, breathe, live, and love however the hell they please....
Do you really believe that statement without qualification? Do you really believe that ALL men have the right to live however they please?
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...All you are doing is proving the point that all christians are intolerant, abusive, hateful people. You are a waste of flesh, and although I dont believe in it, I sincerely hope you burn in hell.
For someone that believe that ALL men have a right to live however they please (including those who condemn homosexuality) you aren't being very tolerant of their views.
You are a walking contradiction. Your worldview is so inconsistent that you don't even believe that which you have typed.
You make me sick, and ashamed to breathe the same air. You'll call me a bleeding heart liberal I assume, far from it actually, but my opinion is that ALL men have a right to walk, talk, breathe, live, and love however the hell they please. Go ahead and hide behind your homophobic religion as a way to shroud the fact that you're just a sad, pathetic little man who is just grossed out by two guys getting it on, as it were.
Dont get me wrong, I love the ladies, and the idea of doing another guy grosses me out, but you have gone too far. I'm not asking you to change a thing. By all means, keep saying what you're saying. All you are doing is proving the point that all christians are intolerant, abusive, hateful people. You are a waste of flesh, and although I dont believe in it, I sincerely hope you burn in hell.
(I do agree.)
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