Zakath agreed to give Enyart rights to Battle Royale VII
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It's true though, you wanna sour a discussion or shut somebody up, bring up the subject of the minister's payroll.
The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
Most seem to think it's bad form to ask questions about these matters.
What a mercy it is that these people cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could they would.
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May 9th, 2005, 09:53 AM
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Yup. It's worth asking [about Enyart's income from BRVII] everytime Enyart brings it up until he answers...
Financial accountability is traditionally an issue for folks in his line of work.
And then in hopes of making his baseless smear and accusation seem principled:
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The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid, how they are otherwise compensated, or how the church income is actually spent; or the income from "ministries" to which they contribute.
Whatever one believes about the subject of Christians and money, I think it's poor stewardship for Christians to be so ignorant.
For the 14 years that I've been on TV and/or radio, whenever a caller has asked on the air how much I make, I've answered clearly. When journalists have asked, I've given them full access to my books, and always offer my Tax Returns to journalists. (Details of our revenue breakdown, products, donations, etc., have been reported in print by in Denver.) Since I began pastoring Denver Bible Church, my family income has hovered around $55k to $65k, approximately half of that coming from pastoring the church and the other half from hosting and running Bob Enyart Live.
As for Zakath's smear about Christians in general regarding their pastor's salaries, virtually all churches are 501(C)3s and their books are available to the public through the IRS. Most churches that I have been involved with either have open business meetings, or systematically make their finances very readily available to anyone interested. Next time Zakath goes to an Atheist Group Therapy session, he should ask the counsellor his annual income. Or when he buys that "I LOVE Abortion" t-shirt, he should ask the vendor, and then the abortionist, what they make.
As for Zakath's claim specifically that: "The vast majority of church members haven't the slightest idea what their clergy are paid," 90% of churches have fewer than 100 members. And extrapolating from my 32 years experience in churches across America, I'd bet that "the vast majority" of the members of those churches know that their pastors are not making a killing in the job (unless you count methaporically slaying an occasional atheist). Zakath's indiscriminate smear that pastors in general are fleecing their flocks just provides cover, as in crying wolf, for the ones that are truly robbing their members.
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Yup. It's worth asking everytime Enyart brings it up until he answers...
Financial accountability is traditionally an issue for folks in his line of work.
Most Pastors have nothing to hide except the idiots like Benny Hinn. In my experience, it's the so called psychologists who traditionally have an issue with financial accountability. Not only that, but it seems anyone can hang a sign on their door and call themselves a "Psychologist".
Most Pastors have nothing to hide except the idiots like Benny Hinn.
There are apparently a lot of idiots like Benny Hinn, then.
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In my experience, it's the so called psychologists who traditionally have an issue with financial accountability.
How many psychologists do you know, personally? Do you know as many psychologists as you do pastors, so you can make a valid comparison...
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Not only that, but it seems anyone can hang a sign on their door and call themselves a "Psychologist".
I cannot speak for where you live, but that is not true in most states. One must be licensed to legally use the term "psychologist" or to run a counselling practice as a psychologist.
Clergy, on the other hand, need no formal training or licensure by any third party. Literally anyone who desires can call themselves "pastor" or "reverend".
Somehow you seem to have transposed the two professions...
There are apparently a lot of idiots like Benny Hinn, then.
How many psychologists do you know, personally? Do you know as many psychologists as you do pastors, so you can make a valid comparison...
I cannot speak for where you live, but that is not true in most states. One must be licensed to legally use the term "psychologist" or to run a counselling practice as a psychologist.
Clergy, on the other hand, need no formal training or licensure by any third party. Literally anyone who desires can call themselves "pastor" or "reverend".
Somehow you seem to have transposed the two professions...
In Louisiana, my home sweet home, one need only have a Masters of Education in "counseling." I learned this from my ex-wife, the counselor. This is not a shot at you, I just thought I would bring it up since it amuses me.
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There are apparently a lot of idiots like Benny Hinn, then.
Says you. Excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
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How many psychologists do you know, personally? Do you know as many psychologists as you do pastors, so you can make a valid comparison...
A lot. I know more psychologists than Pastors actually (unfortunately).
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I cannot speak for where you live, but that is not true in most states. One must be licensed to legally use the term "psychologist" or to run a counselling practice as a psychologist.
My Psychology Professor in college told our class how easy it is to get a license. He wasn't just speaking about my state either. He made the statement as we were talking about ethics.
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Clergy, on the other hand, need no formal training or licensure by any third party. Literally anyone who desires can call themselves "pastor" or "reverend".
Maybe. Most of the Pastors I have met have degrees from accredited Bible Seminary Colleges.
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Somehow you seem to have transposed the two professions...
I don't think so. One pretends they have all the answers to one's psychological issues while "seeing" a psychologist of their own and the other encourages to solve their problems by trusting in God. A God who can be found through Faith and by means of the Bible.
One is paid much more than the other eventhough their profession is hardly based on any real scientific fact. The other is paid by the generosity of his church members and who can point to the Bible for all the Truth he needs.
I've been looking for a business venture.
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