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August 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by 1Way
I thought that she claims to be a "teacher", not a pastor... Or am I wrong?
In any case, as per my gleanings on the topic, “women pastors” are generally in error and operating against the teachings from scripture, “unless” the men in the congregation cannot do a better job of leading the church.
I think “usurping authority” can not happen when the men are not in authority. But I assume that is a reasonable exception allowed by scripture as we had a few female church planters in scripture that seemed prominent in early churches.
My understanding is based upon the assumption that when our current dispensation started, there were very few men qualified to teach and preach the revelation for this particular dispensation until the message got out and was sufficiently studied, thus very early on, some women were prominent in early church startups (women leaders in church).
Well, I don't exactly agree. I have no problem with women being pastors/teachers, whatever you want to call them. What scripture do you use to backup your view? I assume that 1Cor 14 is part of what you use. From what I've heard on the subject there is background information that needs to be taken into account for that passage.
I haven’t yet checked but I would be very surprised if she is not an ordained minister.
Minister is broad term... In my remark to Chance about symbolism verses substance, I imply that she is functionally at least as high up as a pastor in terms of leading believers what to believe.
It doesn't matter if you are a “joker” or “musician” or “magician” teaching false doctrine on national TV with literally millions of susceptible viewers, or if you are an “ordained” pastor/minister, leading the body of Christ toward “falling from the grace of God” by mixing the dispensation of Law with the dispensation of Grace is a very bad situation.
Thanks for helping me clarify.
TTT Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Ro 12:9
To the point
Do you think that God through Paul’s writings (our one Apostle) teach us that women are supposed to be leading (national, and likely international) teachers promoting Charasmatic Tom Fullery and thus contradicting the teachings for the dispensation of the Grace of God which we live in today?
Who is Tom Fuller and what does he have to do with charismatic teaching?? Paul tells us that God gifts members of the Body and that none of these gifts depend upon having a johnson or not from what I have read. Paul does tell us that in the Body the distinction between man and woman is broken down (Gal 3:28).
[quote]I see Clete stating two main things. [list=1][*]There is a problem when women overstep their roles and do not keep their place concerning doctrinal leadership (although my understanding is that she is a teacher, not a pastor, but symbolism does not trump substance). At the same time, I’d pretty much classify her with about 99.9% of the pastors and scholars and teachers as well. She is not alone.
Yes, you and I, as Grace Believers and Open Theists, we ALREADY have a problem with 99.9% of pastors out there. I see that point. But I also commend anyone that has the drive and boldness to get out there and work hard to build a big ministry that effects a lot of people for God. Hey, did you know that Greg Boyd came to faith in Christ through a gal's preaching at a church service?
[QUOTE}[*]Regardless of her role issues, she apparently contradicts the distinctive message given to us through Paul for this current dispensation via the so-called charismatic activity of the HS. Even is she is “mildly” charismatic, as in mixing the teachings for the previous dispensation in with our current one, the result is drastic and sad.
If not, what then?
So she is in the mix with the other 99.9% of pastors you come into contact with. Whether a person is a man or woman is the least of our concerns. Our main concerns are doctrine and whether a person loves God or not. Not whether or not we can date em and take home to meet mom and dad.