[Stripe]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

You referred to it as a "model". Models need to reflect reality, otherwise they are not "modeling" anything.

It shows what a population of two can produce in 6,000 years given a conservative growth rate.

Yes, but that much is obvious.

You say it like obvious is a bad thing.

The problem is getting a consistent rate of increase is only possible without the influence of limiting factors and will eventually reach the carrying capacity. The fact that populations can grow for a short period of time in linear fashion is common knowledge. However your numbers show the population growing infinitely, which has never been observed in nature.

OK, so show us your evidence that humans have ever reached "carrying capacity".

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by Stripe

It shows what a population of two can produce in 6,000 years given a conservative growth rate.

Again the problem is you can't get that kind of growth rate without modern medicine and food supplies. That particular rate of growth is the CURRENT growth rate of the human population, which is only possible because of technology.

OK, so show us your evidence that humans have ever reached "carrying capacity".

We did in the past (before agriculture), but we increased our carrying capacity through technology (agriculture, industry, the green revolution etc.).
This is human population


Any other species that doesn't have technology to grow their own food and stop disease will have a growth curve that looks like this:



If humans don't bring population growth in check, we will eventually hit our own overshoot. The earth isn't infinite.

[Stripe]

And your evidence that this actually happened....?

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

And your evidence that this actually happened....?

That what actually happened? That creatures have reached carrying capacity?

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by Jukia

That what actually happened? That creatures have reached carrying capacity?

^^What he said^^

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

^^What he said^^

What does this mean? My question was whether or not Stripe was questioning if there was evidence of populations reaching carrying capacity per your last graph. If that is his issue, then the answer is simple---take a population genetics course at the local university. (Remember my "Learn some science mantra?)

Oh yeah, but that is likely to be taught by a person steeped in the godless scientific conspiracy. Sorry.

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by Jukia

What does this mean?

I meant I had the same question as you did. "That actually happened?" doesn't mean much when you have two relatively complex graphs posted. Was he asking about humans or animals? And which parts of the graph(s)?

The graph for animal populations I posted earlier is an example rather than a real population. The one below is a real population of deer.


Populations can also be cyclical.



And there is evidence of humans reaching and overshooting their carrying capacity at Easter Island (Rapanui). They ran out of food, cut down all of their trees so they could no longer build boats to escape and harvest fish.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Alate_One

I meant I had the same question as you did. "That actually happened?" doesn't mean much when you have two relatively complex graphs posted. Was he asking about humans or animals? And which parts of the graph(s)?

The graph for animal populations I posted earlier is an example rather than a real population. The one below is a real population of deer.


Populations can also be cyclical.



And there is evidence of humans reaching and overshooting their carrying capacity at Easter Island (Rapanui). They ran out of food, cut down all of their trees so they could no longer build boats to escape and harvest fish.

Yep, I remember those types of graphs from grad school.

[Stripe]

So ... no evidence then?

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

So ... no evidence then?

Evidence of what?

[Stripe]

Originally Posted by Jukia

Evidence of what?

Jukia doesn't know what we're talking about.

[Jukia]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Jukia doesn't know what we're talking about.

Then why don't you 'splain it Looocy.

[Alate_One]

Originally Posted by Stripe

Jukia doesn't know what we're talking about.

I don't know which aspect you are asking about. Either explain yourself or admit you don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

[Bob Enyart]

2011 UPDATE

Dr. John Yates Lives

As added to the opening post: To discredit this report, the atheists and evolutionists posting in this thread have unreasonably doubted and even denied the existence of Dr. Yates (like they've done because of their bias and against all reasonable interpretation of the evidence with Pontius Pilate, King David, Jesus, Nineveh, the entire Assyrian empire, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.). In the meantime, thanks to the ongoing work of Google Books, you can find online a chapter Yates wrote on Deep-Sea Polymetallic Sulphide Deposits in a 2002 text by academic publisher Routledge: Advances in the Science and Technology of Ocean Management.

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