From now on, instead of saying "Pastor Dwayne," I'll say, "Dwayne, the guy who preaches on Sunday and Wednesday and has spiritual authority over the church." Is that better?
Would calling him Dwayne be too complicated for you?
In other words, if you want to call him Pastor Dwayne when speaking to other people, it is fine, because it gives them a reference of which Dwayne, and what his position is. But, there is no reason to say "How are you today, Pastor Dwayne".
In other words, if you want to call him Pastor Dwayne when speaking to other people, it is fine, because it gives them a reference of which Dwayne, and what his position is. But, there is no reason to say "How are you today, Pastor Dwayne".
See what I'm saying Administrator Knight?
OK... I can see that.
After all, I call Bob "Bob".
And not "Pastor Bob".
However, I don't see why it would be wrong to call him "Pastor Bob" if I wanted to. Do you?
However, I don't see why it would be wrong to call him "Pastor Bob" if I wanted to. Do you?
Wrong? Probably not. I just think that Lucky's point (and he will correct me if I am wrong), is that we don't want to give people the impression that they deserve some kind of special respect or reverence.
Slogan/motto:
Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
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February 22nd, 2006, 09:57 AM
I am opposed to titles like Reverend, His Holiness, etc. These titles wrongly exalt one man over another, when Jesus clearly instructed that Believers don't do that.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. Luke 22
I feel that the word Pastor is often used as a title to exalt one man above the church members, as though the average church member were not a minister of God or a priest. However, the Bible reveals that all believers are ministers of God, and all believers are holy, royal priests.
Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses...
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
As holy, royal priests and ministers of God, we serve each other in various roles, some teachers, some pastors, some apostles, etc.
Wrong? Probably not. I just think that Lucky's point (and he will correct me if I am wrong), is that we don't want to give people the impression that they deserve some kind of special respect or reverence.
Reverence is nothing more than "deep respect", I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with giving special respect to certain folks.
Afterall.... there are all sorts of examples of that in the Bible i.e., widows, older men etc.
Me thinks this is a bit like making a mountain errrrrrrrr maybe a small mound out of a molehill.
Pastor or Shepherd is ok. However....some qualification is in order.
The western view of Pastor, I believe, is overblown. Especially here in the United States, where in many churches, the Pastor is the Preacher, the Teacher, the Shepherd, the Visionary, the Counselor, an Elder, bulletin printer, format organizer, sidewalk shoveler, and so on.
I believe that specifically, the Pastor is a shepherd. He is one who cares for the flock, keeps a watchful eye on them, and is a visionary for the church. He assesses the needs of the entire local church and is a 'project manager' so to speak.
He doesn't have to necessarily be the Preacher. The preacher is one who gets various doctrines, theologies and applications to the local Body.
The Teacher, also delineated by Paul, is one who addresses more specific questions and topics in a teacher/student relationship.
Slogan/motto:
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in
all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
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February 22nd, 2006, 10:13 AM
A pastor is a shepherd.The Greek word poimen occurs 17 times in the New Testament.
Only one time it translated "Pastor",which is in Ephesian 4;11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
The other 16 times it is translated "shepherd".So in Eph 4;11paul is saying that the pastor is to be the shepherd of his flock.
Jeremiah 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
A real pastor is commissione by God to do his job.
Jn 12:26 "If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him [My] Father will honor.
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