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March 11th, 2006, 07:12 PM
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Logical fallacy.....appeal to novelty, i believe?
Do actually have any idea what you are talking about?
What I meant if you couldn't understand me is that is a very,very old fashioned attitude to sex.
Particularly for a 17/18 year old
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
Do actually have any idea what you are talking about?
What I meant if you couldn't understand me is that is a very,very old fashioned attitude to sex.
Particularly for a 17/18 year old
Appeal to novelty is the opposite of appeal to antinquity. IE: Because something is old, it is necessarily bad, or likewise, because something is new, it is necessarily good. If you are saying that it is "Victorian" to say it is old fashioned and therefore obsolete, you are invoking that fallacy.
Yeah but its true,that's an old fashioned and in my(and most ppl's)view a wrong opinion about sex.
Which is why it is a fallacy.
By saying it is old and therefore obsolete, you are using appeal to novelty fallacy.
By saying it is wrong "in my opinion" and using only your opinion to "prove" a point, then you are using a begging the question fallacy.
By bringing up that it is "most people's" view, you are using an Ad Populum fallacy.
Simply put, i really don't care what you think about the subject. Fact of the matter is that God created sexuality to the propogation of the species, and that is what Nature uses it for. Even the pagans understood that. To seperate fertility from the sex act is an abomination.
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March 11th, 2006, 07:32 PM
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By saying it is old and therefore obsolete, you are using appeal to novelty fallacy.
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But it is obsolete,it can't be a fallacy if it's true.
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Simply put, i really don't care what you think about the subject. Fact of the matter is that God created sexuality to the propogation of the species, and that is what Nature uses it for. Even the pagans understood that. To seperate fertility from the sex act is an abomination.
You've never had a date have you?
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
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But it is obsolete,it can't be a fallacy if it's true.
Begging the question. You didn't prove that it is obsolete. God made sexuality so that man might be "fruitful and multiply." Again, even the pagans understood that.
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You've never had a date have you?
A) Is that a poisoning the well fallacy?
Admittedly, no, i haven't. However, understand that if you wanna play a game of ad populum, i have a bigger ad populum under my belt. The Magesterium acknowledges only 2 purposes for the sex act: First and foremost the propogation of the species...the bearing of a child. Secondly, and by far less important, it serves as a unitive function between man and wife. Any sex act that is closed, so mother Church teaches, from fertility by the will of man through contraceptives and the like is mortally sinful. Therefore!
Yes, every time a woman has sex, she is implying consent to have children.
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March 11th, 2006, 07:45 PM
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Begging the question. You didn't prove that it is obsolete. God made sexuality so that man might be "fruitful and multiply." Again, even the pagans understood that
Sex is there to be enjoyed aswell,why do you think humans are the only animals that get pleasure from sex.
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Admittedly, no, i haven't. However, understand that if you wanna play a game of ad populum, i have a bigger ad populum under my belt. The Magesterium acknowledges only 2 purposes for the sex act: First and foremost the propogation of the species...the bearing of a child. Secondly, and by far less important, it serves as a unitive function between man and wife. Any sex act that is closed, so mother Church teaches, from fertility by the will of man through contraceptives and the like is mortally sinful. Therefore!
Then I guess most of the world's,including most catholics are going to hell.
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To judge from the notions expounded by theologians, one must conclude that God created most men simply with a view to crowding hell.
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I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
Sex is there to be enjoyed aswell,why do you think humans are the only animals that get pleasure from sex.
That is bull. Food is enjoyed too. However, that is not a function of food. If you eat food sheerly for the enjoyment, then that is an act of gluttony.
And begging the question. Prove that humans are the only animals that get enjoyment from sex.
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Then I guess most of the world's,including most catholics are going to hell.
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March 11th, 2006, 07:53 PM
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And begging the question. Prove that humans are the only animals that get enjoyment from sex.
Can't be bothered honestly.
Answer me this question then,who does safe sex hurt?
In fact in this day and age with HIV and the like its downright complacent in the least to tell people to not use condoms.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
Can't be bothered honestly.
Answer me this question then,who does safe sex hurt?
It's an abomination! It offends God! It makes a mockery of his creation! So ultimately, who does it hurt? Christ!
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In fact in this day and age with HIV and the like its downright complacent in the least to tell people to not use condoms.
People have self control, don't they? I would hope that we are at least a small step above animals in that regard. If people don't wanna catch HIV and all of that, then they had better start picking and choosing their partners carefully and sticking to one partner for their entire lives. Ever heard of a thing called marriage? My grandparents have been married for like over 40 years. Neither one has an STD, as far as i know.
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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
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March 11th, 2006, 08:24 PM
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It's an abomination! It offends God! It makes a mockery of his creation! So ultimately, who does it hurt? Christ!
Then why did God create it?
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People have self control, don't they? I would hope that we are at least a small step above animals in that regard. If people don't wanna catch HIV and all of that, then they had better start picking and choosing their partners carefully and sticking to one partner for their entire lives. Ever heard of a thing called marriage? My grandparents have been married for like over 40 years. Neither one has an STD, as far as i know.
People are always gonna have sex you can't stop that,but to tell people,especially uneducated people like africans etc that its a mortal sin against christ to use a condom is gonna kill people that needn't have died if they'd used a condom.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
God didn't create condoms. He created sexuality with the intent for a married man and woman to have children. It's that simple.
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People are always gonna have sex you can't stop that,but to tell people,especially uneducated people like africans etc that its a mortal sin against christ to use a condom is gonna kill people that needn't have died if they'd used a condom.
All of this is based on a false premise that it is outrageous to presume that sexuality should be kept between a man and his wife.
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March 11th, 2006, 08:37 PM
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All of this is based on a false premise that it is outrageous to presume that sexuality should be kept between a man and his wife.
You have to live in the real world man,people are gonna have pre-marital sex full-stop(and there's little wrong with that.).To scare them off using condoms is morally bankrupt.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
You have to live in the real world man,people are gonna have pre-marital sex full-stop(and there's little wrong with that.).To scare them off using condoms is morally bankrupt.
What's morally bankrupt is your attitude towards the sanctity of sexuality.
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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
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March 11th, 2006, 08:40 PM
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What's morally bankrupt is your attitude towards the sanctity of sexuality.
Your saying it's better to get HIV than use a condom.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
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