I was wrong economically. -
August 12th, 2006, 01:38 PM
It appears as though I was mistaken. When I last spoke about how awesome Corporatism, it seems as though I was rather confused on how corporatism works. That said, now that I understand how Corporatism works, it would appear as though Corporatism is actually easier to attain than I thought.
Corporatism works as follows: Businesses are entirely domesticated. Businesses selling outside of the state becomes illegal. Businesses hiring foreign workers and setting up factories in other places becomes illegal. This forces businesses to sell everything within the state and to hire from the workpool available within the state. That said, the businesses have no way to get around state regulations such as minimum wage, fair working hours, etc.
Ultimately, this leads to a man putting in a fair day's labour, getting out a fair day's pay, and going home to his wife and children (who don't have to work).
Also, this leads to the State having an extraordinary amount of authority over the businesses. This is how the State is involved with the corporation:
The state wants 1000 assault rifles for a part of the army. The state puts out a contract (IE, 50,000 dollars for the corporation who produces the most assault rifles). The highest corporate bidder (The person who promises to produce the most) gets the contract. That said, the corporations, whether or not they got the contract, must fill that quota.
In return, the corporations have a legislative voice in the government.
No "redistribution" is necessary. It's actually easier than I thought.
You think that nationalizing the corporate world is a stupid idea?
By nationalizing the corporate world, do you mean putting corporations under government control? Or limiting the activity of any corporation to a single state or nation?
You mentioned making it illegal for corporations to do business outside of their local area. By "state" did you mean our nation, or did you mean each particular state?
Either way, while I agree that there are problems with the powers currently given to corporations (having the rights of individuals but not the responsibilities), I think a completely isolationist policy is problematic and probably doomed to failure. Nations have flourished throughout history by trading with other nations. Not every nation or state has the same resource base, the same skill sets, and so on. By trade, we can capitalize on the strengths of different regions for the benefit of all. If we can manage to do so equitably.
"Perhaps everything terrible is in its deepest being something that needs our love" ~ Rainer Maria Rilke
By nationalizing the corporate world, do you mean putting corporations under government control? Or limiting the activity of any corporation to a single state or nation?
By placing government regulation on corporations and reducing their activity to a single nation.
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Not every nation or state has the same resource base, the same skill sets, and so on.
In other words, you believe your nation should expand out and militarily bring all other nations under your nation's dominion, so you can possess all other nations' resources?
If so, you truly are a Hitler in the making!
"Perhaps everything terrible is in its deepest being something that needs our love" ~ Rainer Maria Rilke
In other words, you believe your nation should expand out and militarily bring all other nations under your nation's dominion, so you can possess all other nations' resources?
More or less. Great gains require great sacrifice.
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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning
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August 12th, 2006, 05:14 PM
How can you be a Nazis/fascist without believing in corporatism?
It was corporate funds which help them get where they did,in return they gave business a free hand as long as it didn't interfere in their schemes. i.e Oscar shindler used Jewish slave labour,as did many other german business' and corporations.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
How can you be a Nazis/fascist without believing in corporatism?
I am a corporatist. Part of corporatism, however, is nationalization of businesses. This is more or less what me and Balder are debating. This is, in the long run, how I see Fascism and Corporatism.
The basic ideal is that a man can go to work, put in a fair day's labor, get a fair day's pay, and go home to his wife and children (who don't have to work because he makes enough for the entire family). The idea is that a man, as long as he does his job and doesn't break the law, shouldn't have to worry about being replaced, shouldn't have to worry about losing his jobs to foreigners, shouldn't have to worry about being outsourced, etc.
The basic way for this to happen is to nationalize the corporate world. The problem, however, is that a single nation might not necessarily have all the resources it needs to fill all needs.
The answer, then, is military expansionism. In the case of 40's Japan, Asia. In the case of 40's Germany, Northern Europe and Western Russia. In 40's Italy, the Meditteranean.
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It was corporate funds which help them get where they did,in return they gave business a free hand as long as it didn't interfere in their schemes.
Businesses were given more or less a free hand in the scope of the corporatist economy.
Slogan/motto:
"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning
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August 12th, 2006, 05:33 PM
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The basic way for this to happen is to nationalize the corporate world. The problem, however, is that a single nation might not necessarily have all the resources it needs to fill all needs.
What do you mean nationalize?
Generally the point of nationalisation is because the gov't can best run the industry for consumers,or perhaps it's part of effort to socialise.
Knowing the history of facsists and the sentiments you exhibit here,we can rule out the later.
Do you mean to retain the old corportate structure under overall gov't command.
I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph
What is Whiggery? A leveling, rancorous, rational sort of mind, that never looked out of the eye of a saint , or out of a drunkard's eye. All's Whiggery now, but we old men are massed against the world.
W.B Yeats
What do you mean nationalize?
Generally the point of nationalisation is because the gov't can best run the industry for consumers,or perhaps it's part of effort to socialise.
Knowing the history of facsists and the sentiments you exhibit here,we can rule out the later.
Do you mean to retain the old corportate structure under overall gov't command.
I mean by removing the elements of outsourcing and trade. IE, making a nation self sufficient.
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