[GeneCosta]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

Ok. Left wingers are impure communists.

If you want to call me a socialist, feel free. The more I read about TOL conservatism the more I find myself liking the philosophy about caring for the public's welfare more than the individual's dollar.

[Adam_Kratt]

Originally Posted by George Freed

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).



4th Goal Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.





18th Goal Gain control of all student newspapers.





29th Goal Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis.

37th Goal Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

How many of these goals have been accomplished? Not all but most of them it seems.

Seizure.. hmm sounds like what George W. Bush and conservativeshave been promoting.

NAFTA... isn't that a conservative idea... it is the republicans who are big on free trade it is the democrats who want regulation of american companies doing business outside the US borders.

Student Newspapers..... it is democrats who have fought for the independence of student papers especially in California it wasrepublicanswho attempted to give College administration censorship control of college papers.

Discredit the Constitution... hmm sounds like Patriot Act and the Military Act recently proposed by Bush which strip people of rights guaranteed by the constitution

Big Business iniltration... hmm seems like it is the Republicans who support big business....

[George Freed]

Originally Posted by Adam_Kratt

Seizure.. hmm sounds like what George W. Bush and conservativeshave been promoting.

NAFTA... isn't that a conservative idea... it is the republicans who are big on free trade it is the democrats who want regulation of american companies doing business outside the US borders.

Student Newspapers..... it is democrats who have fought for the independence of student papers especially in California it wasrepublicanswho attempted to give College administration censorship control of college papers.

Discredit the Constitution... hmm sounds like Patriot Act and the Military Act recently proposed by Bush which strip people of rights guaranteed by the constitution

Big Business iniltration... hmm seems like it is the Republicans who support big business....

Bush isn't to good I can not support him and what he's done so far. But would Karry have been any better? I think not!

I think these days both parties are just opposite ends of the same horse! No matter who is in charge now America is well on its way to becoming a Communist country at at this point there is nothing that is going to stop this. I'm just waiting for the cage door to slam shut.

Should Democratic Party merge with Communist Party?
Posted: August 12, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

No doubt such a question will immediately raise the hackles of those who belong to the Democratic Party, but I believe this is a valid question considering the Communist Party USA and the Communist Party of Red China endorsed John Kerry for president in the last pretend election. They wouldn't endorse him unless they felt he would continue to further the agenda for world communism via the official Democratic Party.

As someone who doesn't waste their time playing the blame game (It's the Democrats! It's the Republicans!) – because I know that if you play the game, it plays you – I feel it's more important to look at the big picture. Additionally, as I haven't belonged to any political party since 1996, it gives me the freedom to proudly identify myself as a constitutionalist and not a pawn of some political party.

The Democratic Party touts it's the party of the working man. Their national platform endorses the toxic and destructive practice of sodomy and encourages women to commit sexual abominations with each other. Their national platform, led by a certifiable maniac named Howard Dean, endorses and encourages women to fight to "protect their reproductive rights" by killing their unborn babies.

Since the turn of the 20th century, the Democratic Party has worked diligently to rob its membership of the fruits of their labor via all the unconstitutional acts passed under FDR and in subsequent administrations. Back then, before the masters who pull the strings of the White House and Congress bought up all major newspapers in this country in order to control the flow of information, some were sounding the alarm.

Back in 1996, I wrote about the 57 members of Congress who belonged to the "Progressive Caucus." The Democratic Socialists of America highly admire these left-of-the-left members of Congress, i.e., open socialist Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., who should be barred from serving in the U.S. Congress because his goal is the destruction of our constitutional republic (we are not a democracy). Here's just a few current members of the Progressive Caucus – all Democrats except for Sanders:

Lynn Woolsey, Calif., George Miller, Calif., Nancy Pelosi, Calif., Henry Waxman, Calif., "Mad Max" Maxine Waters, Calif., Bob Filner, Calif., Diane DeGette, Colo., Alcee Hastings, Fla., John Lewis, Ga., Patsy Mink, Hawaii, Jessie Jackson Jr., Ill., Barney Frank, Mass., John Conyers, Mich., Jerrold Nadler, N.Y., Major Owens, N.Y., Charles Rangel, N.Y., Dennis Kucinch, Ohio, Sherrod Brown, Ohio, Peter DeFazio, Ore., Robert C. Scott, Va., Bernard Sanders, Vt., James McDermott, Wash.

Unless and until one understands exactly how communists go about recruiting by duping uninformed Americans, they will continue to gain ground in their quest to destroy this republic and enslave all of us under an iron fist. The goal for world communist domination and how it is being implemented is right in the face of Americans if they would just get out of denial and take a good look at their party's platform.

Make no mistake: This constitutional republic is on the verge of total annihilation. One of the most thoroughly documented books on this critical issue is "The Naked Communist" by former FBI agent W. Cleon Skousen, founder of the Center for Constitutional Studies. In his book, Skousen succinctly lays out exactly how the communists have gained such a strong foothold in America – you can read 45 of their goals listed in the Congressional Record.

If you belong to the Democratic Party, I urge you to take the time to study the platform of your party and compare them to the goals of the communists. They are one and the same, although this will bring shrieks from the likes of Marxist Hillary Clinton, it is the raw truth.

If it will make Democrats feel any better, they need only look at the Republican-controlled Congress since 1994 to see that the official agenda of the GOP – enforced through their voting record on key issues over the years – to see that they have also fallen in lockstep with virtually every communist goal. Don't think so? Look how many Republicans in Congress support and have voted for legislation that is a priority for communist domination. Do the research.

I know there are millions of decent Americans who belong to the Democratic Party who do not support their party leadership's stand on sodomy, abortion and other issues. Rather, they have supported the Democratic Party because of jobs. However, 99 percent of them have no idea how they have been lied to about Social Security, withholding and the income tax, issues I have written about for more than a decade and since November 2004 for WorldNetDaily. Sadly, like too many Republicans, party faithful only hear the sound bites and what sounds good for their little world.

I urge all Americans to study the links in this column and then get to work to clean out this Congress and elect constitutionalists who will restore America to its former greatness. Not only will we be released from all these Nazi "security" laws that have been enacted, but America will prosper for all her people.

The master plan is all but a fait accompli. People should remember these words by Ayn Rand: "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: The stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission – which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by GeneCosta

If you want to call me a socialist, feel free. The more I read about TOL conservatism the more I find myself liking the philosophy about caring for the public's welfare more than the individual's dollar.

OH! The arrogant nobility of it all! Let me see how this works out. "I care so much about the public's welfare that I am willing to extort money from others."

Such selfless sacrifice.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

OH! The arrogant nobility of it all! Let me see how this works out. "I care so much about the public's welfare that I am willing to extort money from others."

Such selfless sacrifice.

Sounds like a lot of great novels. Robin Hood and Zorro to name a couple. Funny how their popularity is based on taking from the rich to give back to the poor who the rich stole their wealth from in the first place.

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Sounds like a lot of great novels. Robin Hood and Zorro to name a couple. Funny how their popularity is based on taking from the rich to give back to the poor who the rich stole their wealth from in the first place.

Robin Hood and Zorro robbed tax money from the government and gave it back to the poor taxpayers. You know, sort of like the tax cuts instituted by John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

OH! Almost forgot. Your silly theory about the "rich steal from the poor from whom the rich stole in the first place." That's called a vicious circle and makes no logical sense whatsoever. See, if the rich got rich by stealing from the "poor", then the now rich were the former poor who got rich by stealing from the rich and made them the next iteration of the poor.

Kinda stupid, ain't it?

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

Robin Hood and Zorro robbed tax money from the government and gave it back to the poor taxpayers. You know, sort of like the tax cuts instituted by John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

OH! Almost forgot. Your silly theory about the "rich steal from the poor from whom the rich stole in the first place." That's called a vicious circle and makes no logical sense whatsoever. See, if the rich got rich by stealing from the "poor", then the now rich were the former poor who got rich by stealing from the rich and made them the next iteration of the poor.

Kinda stupid, ain't it?

No. The rich often become rich by theft and exploitation. Often the poor remain poor because they refuse to act in this manner.

James 2:5,6
5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you?

[Why?]

Aikido, I had to do a double take on that opening post. I nearly bit. Completely agree btw.

Somebody posted, "I shudder to think of what might have happened had Bush not been elected to his first term..."

Yeah I know what you mean. On the way to paying off the national debt, 9-11 probably not happening, an uncompromised constitution, two wars less and not looking at Hilary Clinton being the first female president.

[GeneCosta]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

"I care so much about the public's welfare that I am willing to extort money from others."

Incorrect statement.

I find it remarkable that conservative "pro-lifers" are unwilling to put their fellow American's health and basic needs before the dollar. Nonetheless, the charge of "theft" remains just as humorous as the claim that banning flag burning does not violate the right of expression. In a socialist society the taxed money is being spent to ensure that all citizens are given the basics and a fair chance. I'm sure Bush, being the big, bad liberal that he is, would see nothing with that, eh?

Peace.

[Quasar1011]

Originally Posted by aikido7

More than seven years after 9/11, the world is surprisingly peaceful. President Bush's pragmatic and bipartisan leadership has kept the United States not just strong but unexpectedly popular across the globe.

Are you making a prophecy here? Because more than 7 years after 9/11 would be September 12, 2008. Are you predicting peace and a popular America by then?

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

No. The rich often become rich by theft and exploitation. Often the poor remain poor because they refuse to act in this manner.

All of a sudden, Robin Hood and Zorro aren't your heroes. (By the way, both Robin Hood and Zorro were the wealthy scions of people whose wealth was stolen by the government.) And, you blew your social theory right out of the water! How do you reconcile what you said with the liberal proverb that "poverty causes crime?"

I believe William F. Buckley said it best: "The rich don't steal from the poor because the poor don't have anything. The poor steal from each other."

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by GeneCosta

Incorrect statement.

I find it remarkable that conservative "pro-lifers" are unwilling to put their fellow American's health and basic needs before the dollar.

I'm sure you would. Interesting that your "moral" sensibilities are centered on money belonging to other people.

Nonetheless, the charge of "theft" remains just as humorous as the claim that banning flag burning does not violate the right of expression. In a socialist society the taxed money is being spent to ensure that all citizens are given the basics and a fair chance. I'm sure Bush, being the big, bad liberal that he is, would see nothing with that, eh?

Peace.

I didn't mean it to be humorous. I meant it as an indictment. Socialist societies are based on theft - the theft of one person's earnings in order to pay expenses incurred by someone indolent. I see the results of socialism and its "giving all citizens the basics and a fair chance." Equality of basic misery and basic poverty and a fair chance to experience both by government theft and decree.

There is no "right to expression" in the Constitution and burning a flag is not "speech." As an atheist, would you defend the burning of a church as demonstrating the "right to expression" for an atheist?

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

All of a sudden, Robin Hood and Zorro aren't your heroes. (By the way, both Robin Hood and Zorro were the wealthy scions of people whose wealth was stolen by the government.) And, you blew your social theory right out of the water! How do you reconcile what you said with the liberal proverb that "poverty causes crime?"

I never said that Robin Hood and Zorro were my heroes; I said that they were popular works of literature because they exposed what most rational people realize is wrong with the world, that the wealthy leech off of the poor, and they exemplified justice. Their being wealthy had nothing to do with those principles. In fact, my father-in-law (Republican wealthy man), and my father (Democrat wealthy man) both realized that the overall welfare of the nation was the responsibility of those who prospered most because of its structure.

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

I believe William F. Buckley said it best: "The rich don't steal from the poor because the poor don't have anything. The poor steal from each other."

William F. Buckley is an idiot and always has been. If a man steals $1 from 1,000,000 people, he has $1,000,000. Simple math. You must argue with God, not me. I will repost it:

James 2:5,6
5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you?

[Frank Ernest]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

I never said that Robin Hood and Zorro were my heroes; I said that they were popular works of literature because they exposed what most rational people realize is wrong with the world, that the wealthy leech off of the poor, and they exemplified justice.

You ignore and continue to ignore that both these heroes of literature fought the government which was leeching off the poor.

Their being wealthy had nothing to do with those principles.

Had everything to do with it.

In fact, my father-in-law (Republican wealthy man), and my father (Democrat wealthy man) both realized that the overall welfare of the nation was the responsibility of those who prospered most because of its structure.

That's great, but is beside the point and a continuing evasion. You really can't confront the idea that liberal government is the oppressor and taxation is theft, can you?

William F. Buckley is an idiot and always has been.

He's a bunch smarter than you are, for sure.

If a man steals $1 from 1,000,000 people, he has $1,000,000. Simple math. You must argue with God, not me. I will repost it:

Stop with the simplistic driveling nonsense. Get a real Bible instead of that Karl Marx version you're quoting from.

James 2:5-6 "Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?"

[Why?]

Originally Posted by Frank Ernest

You ignore and continue to ignore that both these heroes of literature fought the government which was leeching off the poor.

Of course Robin was fighting Prince John who was imposing the taxes against the Kings wishes and performing an illeagl coup. King Richard (Sean Connery) was very angry with him. So technically he wasn't actually fighting the government.

And wasn't Zorro fighting the Spanish in California? He was a liberation fighter so he wasn't fighting the government either. At least not his.