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That it ain't a crime
If all the squares
And the junkmen
Think you're out of line
Huh? DXpose, Your not a tin foil hat wearing, conspiracy looneytune are you?
No - but I am not willfully ignorant of the facts either, and I don't exactly think our government is innocent in the matter. There are just too many things that don't add up with the whole terrorist and box cutter story. Not too mention that there have never been any steel reinforced building in history to completely collapse (especially demolition style) by fire and jet fuel. The only three buildings in history to collapse were the World Trade towers 1, 2 and building 7 - All on 9/11.
I would just encourage you to watch that video Martial Law and see if there are any thought provoking pieces of info that want you to investigate further.
It's not that I'm lazy; it's that I just don't care.
June 21st, 2007, 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by aikido7
There are four scientists in that list whose conclusions were peer reviewed. Your job: find them!
Since you are the one who is pushing the idea, I'll leave that up to you. It was a simple question. Who was peer-reviewed, and where were they reviewed (i.e. in a legitimate journal, or in some kook journal)?
"Screw Loose Change" does not respond line-by-line to "Loose Change." The admission is on their blog.
Maybe "line by line" was a bad way to phrase it. The videos and transcripts are exhaustive/comprehensive.
Real world experiments, simulations or examples would be helpful.
And that is what they did: Real world experiments and simulations (I'm not sure what you mean by "examples")
Is that the same Kevin Ryan who wrote that the NIST test for knocking the fire-proofing off the girders was done with a shotgun on flat steel plates? He probably throws ducks in the water and is a pyschopath, who, incidently, also claims that this information was left out of the NIST report--a draft report is the only version I could find. I did not find it included there. Perhaps I will be able to find the actual report.
The full report is available on the NIST website. I encourage you to read it, as many of your questions and objections are addressed within. As far as I know, Ryan is not a psychopath, he's just someone that has no special knowledge pertaining to the WTC and 9/11. For instance, he did not work in the Fire Protection division of UL, so his claims that the steel components used in the construction of the WTC were certified by UL are unsubstantiated. He was not involved in the NIST investigation, so his claims that NIST omitted details (pertaining to the dislodging of fireproofing) from their final report are unfounded.
And again, the test conducted by NIST was an attempt to determine how much fireproofing would have been dislodged as a result of direct impact of debris that resulted from the impact. And the final report clearly states how they arrived at their estimates.
There are dismissals--but no examinations--of testimony by scores of witnesses who heard explosions (in one case a machine shop on Level C of Tower 2 was totally demolished) before and after the airplanes hit. The fact that many had noticed molten metal still present long after the clean-up began is dismissed totally by the draft report I saw. It would be helpful for them to post the complete report online--if they haven't done so already.
Again, the full report has been available for quite some time. You can also contact NIST for a printed version, or a CD set containing all the reports.
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