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September 25th, 2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Ernest
That's the same line you s used against Nixon back in '68!
Yes, we are generally misinformed and lied to by what IS "the liberal media."
The Democrat leadership of the current Congress definitely. Doesn't require chest-beating. Common sense will do.
Current label-shifting says: Progressive = .
Liberalism is immoral. I do not fear it. I intend to crush it.
No, it doesn't. It results in oppression, repression, mass murder and elitist dictators.
Every bit as inevitable as the (former) Soviet Union perhaps?
You go, girl!
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You are misinformed. By what you call "the liberal media."
Why else would you be totally ignorant about what the "liberal media's" Judith Miller was really doing at this time? (And, by the way, I leave the ball in your court to inform yourself about where Judith Miller is actually working now....!--I don't think the "drive-by liberal mainstream media" has said much about it).
I already disproved your Judith Miller assumption by showing you that even if she did have an agenda, it would have been considered bipartisan. I gave you facts and quotes you still put forth conjecture.
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And how soon you forget.... The "liberal media" made sure the American Left's moral stance on the war was either ignored, ridiculed or labeled as unpatriotic or naiive.And this same "liberal media" you beat your chest about has also apparently convinced you that the Democratic Party and the liberal left are the same.
Do you believe Bill Clinton, Hillery Clinton, John Kerry, Murtha, are liberal leftists?
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People such as yourself won't hear much about this from either "the liberal media" or the "socialistic school system," but if you can break away from those who would try to re-write history, you might learn that our country actually has a unique tradition of upholding human rights and progressive ideals.
.......I heard about that a lot..........did you have a point here????
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Like it or not, America is a force in the world for the priniciples of post-Enlightenment civilization. What you and others just may not be aware that this inevitably results in a common-sense social liberalism that extends humanity and opportunity to all citizens of the world.
It is historical as much as it is inevitable.
Like it did in the Soviet Union? Or like it does in Cuba?China? North Korea?
Your absolutely right. They are champions of humanity and opportunity.
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September 25th, 2007, 01:50 PM
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I already disproved your Judith Miller assumption by showing you that even if she did have an agenda, it would have been considered bipartisan. I gave you facts and quotes you still put forth conjecture.
Facts and quotes from "the liberal media." You guys are hopeless.
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Do you believe Bill Clinton, Hillery Clinton, John Kerry, Murtha, are liberal leftists?
Good Lord no!
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.......I heard about that a lot..........did you have a point here????
You probably heard about it for a reason
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Like it did in the Soviet Union? Or like it does in Cuba?China? North Korea?
Your absolutely right. They are champions of humanity and opportunity.
You continue to misunderstand the facts. Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea--all of these nations are far from being "democratic" in the Jeffersonian sense. Just because they may have aspirations to be democratic does not mean it will play out that way. George Bush is finding that out in Iraq. He doesn't read much history either, apparently.
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Because Murdoch is just such a happy clappy hippy, that's why your darned medias so flaming liberal!
That's why we didn't let him buy up all our media sources and practically kicked into your very receptive arms.
Seriously though - your newspapers, do they come in broadsheet very often? I had trouble finding any when I was there. Maybe because it was just after 9-11?
Facts and quotes from "the liberal media." You guys are hopeless.
Admissions of guilt from the media. Do you propose that the media is branding itself as liberal and therefore costing itself millions of dollars and the trust of the American public.
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Good Lord no!
Who then do you consider liberal? On almost all political scales I have seen, these people are liberal. Big government agencies, handouts, hight taxes, baby murder.
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You continue to misunderstand the facts. Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea--all of these nations are far from being "democratic" in the Jeffersonian sense. Just because they may have aspirations to be democratic does not mean it will play out that way. George Bush is finding that out in Iraq. He doesn't read much history either, apparently.
Please define common sense social liberalism as you understand it. We may be to the root of our discussion here.
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September 25th, 2007, 10:19 PM
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Admissions of guilt from the media. Do you propose that the media is branding itself as liberal and therefore costing itself millions of dollars and the trust of the American public.
I can't see that as even remotely possible. It almost sounds like you are suggesting that the media moguls sat around somewhere in a smoke-filled room and conspired to hatch some plot. One thing many large newspapers have is the ombudsman feature--but I really don't know just how effective it is. And of course there is the little "goof box on page 2" that supposedly lists all the factual errors. So mistakes, yes. Guilt? Hardly ever.
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Who then do you consider liberal? On almost all political scales I have seen, these people are liberal. Big government agencies, handouts, hight taxes, baby murder.
The political scales are in full tilt mode. The powers that be have been "working the refs." Big government agencies like the military? Handouts like "big business affirmative action" and corporate benefits? High taxes like the economic reorganization in Bush's first term? Baby murder like "American air support"? We need to be mindful of the dog and pony show that spews out the narrative that authoritarian corporatism is normal and anything moderate is the dangerous far left.
Favorite liberals? Howard Zinn, Norman Thomas, Cornell West (of course he has to be out of sheer self-preservation!). Joe Bageant (great writer, too!) is almost a 1930s throwback. Seymor Hersh probably fits in there somewhere, too. Eqbal Ahmad. Noam Chomsky is probably no surprise. Karen Armstrong in relgious studies. Jesus of Nazareth, of course. Alexander Cockburn. The late Greogory Bateson in the sciences. Social mythologist William Irwin Thompson is still pretty prophetic: http://www.williamirwinthompson.org/
...but his poetry is still lousy
A liberal should stand outside the "gestalt" and be able to highlight the conflict of opposing ideologies. We're a bit like ants crawling across the canvas of Picasso's "Guernica." We can sense a succession of colors and changes, but we can't see the whole painting. An authentic liberal should be able to see the bigger picture.
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Please define common sense social liberalism as you understand it. We may be to the root of our discussion here.
Picking up the cross and following Jesus is the most practical thing we can do to demonstrate common-sense social liberalism. Care of the orphan and widow, being our brother and sister's keeper, going way beyond today's tribalism of "family values," being transparent with our neighbor and honoring just enough of the mysteries of being alive so that we don't become fanatics. Cultivating non-violent political change, leaving behind the myths of violence and war as being somehow redemptive. We must imagine what the world would be like if God--not Bush--were in the White House. Just as Jesus called on his listeners to imagine if Abba sat on the throne instead of Ceasar.
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September 26th, 2007, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank Ernest
Odd for a christian to support a murderer.
Odd for Christians to support due process for terrorists. I just don't understand what's happening anymore. America used to be a heck of a good country!
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That's what happens to anyone who dares to report the truth....
keep shinin'
jerm
Odd for a christian to support a murderer.
Um the evidence shows he was framed for murder by the police for going against the mayors request to not make public his journalism, but they will not release him. (because of the supposed "threat" he allegedly is.)
If you knew anything about MOVE or him you would think twice before accusing him of murder. (unless of course you make a habit of bearing false witness)
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September 26th, 2007, 09:06 PM
Journalists are typically Democrats. Corporate media heads are typically Republican.
Neither are Leftists. Leftist idealogy opposes big government [in favor of direct democracy, also known as anarchy] and capitalism [in favor of socialism].
Odd for Christians to support due process for terrorists. I just don't understand what's happening anymore. America used to be a heck of a good country!
Um the evidence shows he was framed for murder by the police for going against the mayors request to not make public his journalism, but they will not release him. (because of the supposed "threat" he allegedly is.)
The evidence shows he murdered two people.
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If you knew anything about MOVE or him you would think twice before accusing him of murder. (unless of course you make a habit of bearing false witness)
That's the same line you 
s used against Nixon back in '68!
Because Murdoch is just such a happy clappy hippy, that's why your darned medias so flaming liberal! 
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