Slogan/motto:
I have no loftier goal in life than to one day stand before my Savior and hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
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September 26th, 2007, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Silk Queen
One thing I am certain I don't believe is eternal hell, the second death could possibly be annihalation.
ONLY those who please God gain eternal life with God!
Ok I will be back on this tomorrow it is a lot to take in.
I want to be certain I don't overload and not speak accurately, so I will give my mind a rest tonight.
This is very interesting and I don't want to get to many pages so I won't comprehend what you are saying.
I will go over what we have written tomorrow.
Slogan/motto:
I have no loftier goal in life than to one day stand before my Savior and hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
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September 26th, 2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PastorKevin
PkQ6
But IF the Bible actually teaches it is eternal would you accept it then?
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Originally Posted by Silk Queen
No not necessarily only if Jesus said hell was eternal.
But SQ, 2 Timothy 3:16 says that ALL Scripture is literally God-breathed and thus is given by inspiration by God. So we cannot divorce all of the rest of Scripture from the words of Jesus and say that only what Jesus said is from God. God also appointed prophets and Apostles and gave them the ministry of writing the inspired Word.
With that being said, Jesus did in fact say it was eternal:
Matthew 10:41,46
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Originally Posted by PastorKevin
PKQ7 And who is pleasing to God?
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Originally Posted by Silk Queen
Those that do the will of the Father.
I bolded DO because in that answer you are saying that we must work our way to right standing with God. That by our actions we are saved. But the Bible says:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
I guess at this point I need to know something else:
PKQ8:Do you believe that Paul was an Apostle of God and given a message by God? Do you accept the things Paul says as Scripture or not?
Slogan/motto:
I have no loftier goal in life than to one day stand before my Savior and hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
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September 27th, 2007, 09:17 AM
SQ, when you get a chance to get back and respond, I have something else for you to think about. While I disagree wholeheartedly that we should only take what Jesus says about this subject and not what the rest of the Bible says, please realize that the Lord Jesus Christ gave us some of our most clear teaching on this subject. In Mark 9:43-48 he repeats in the text FIVE TIMES that the fire of hell is never quenched!
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
44 where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’
45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
46 where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—
48 where ‘ Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.’
These verses plus the ones I shared with you earlier clearly show that Jesus believed in and taught the existence of eternal punishment. PKQ9: If you just read those words and you ignored anything and everything said by Universalists what would your impression be on the subject of eternal punishment?
These things were also discussed in the Old Testament Scriptures in the book of Daniel Chapter 12 and verse 2:
1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
This is a prophecy of the end times, and the clear teaching of verse #2 is unmistakeable. The righteous will have eternal life, the wicked will have eternal shame and contempt. This clearly shows there is no return or relief for the wicked from their everlasting shame and contempt.
This also could not be annihilation because someone who is annihiliated cannot have everlasting shame and contempt. Further, someone who is eventually saved or as Universalists put it "purified" would not have everlasting shame and contempt.
Slogan/motto:
'What God wills, will happen; thou canst not hurry it, thou canst not alter it; therefore wait, and be patient.
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September 27th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Hi Pastor Kevin, I wanted to thank you for this opportunity to discuss my belief.
When you came to me through PM I was reluctant but agreed as long as it was not a debate.
I mentioned I was not going to prepare which I didn't, however through our exchanged views and Prayer I have come to a view which is different than I previously had considered.
I don't believe it is good for me spiritually to continue, thank you for your time.
I appreciate this because without this discussion I would not have had a prayer answered.
Slogan/motto:
I have no loftier goal in life than to one day stand before my Savior and hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
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September 27th, 2007, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Silk Queen
Hi Pastor Kevin, I wanted to thank you for this opportunity to discuss my belief.
When you came to me through PM I was reluctant but agreed as long as it was not a debate.
I mentioned I was not going to prepare which I didn't, however through our exchanged views and Prayer I have come to a view which is different than I previously had considered.
I don't believe it is good for me spiritually to continue, thank you for your time.
I appreciate this because without this discussion I would not have had a prayer answered.
Okeydokey, Good night!
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