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* Challenge to Atheists: RSF co-hosts Fred Williams, with Creation Research Society, and Bob Enyart, challenge atheists to give a rough description of how evolution could possibly explain (it cannot) a caterpillar liquefying itself and re-creating itself into a butterfly. Evolution uses random mutations, small incremental changes, and natural selection. The chrysalis stage is an impassible gulf that small random changes cannot cross. A caterpillar species needs to begin digesting itself, turning itself into a "bag of rich fluid," and then forming all new tissue and organs, including wings, legs, antennae, heart, muscles and nervous system, building a brand new organism, and then starting the process all over again. So, Bob and Fred invite any atheist to spend the next 25 years trying to come up with a rough algorithm of how Darwinism can cross the Chrysalis divide!
* Evolutionist Criticizes Bob: Go figure. The last time Bob described the caterpillar liquefying itself and then re-forming itself, a feat impossible for Darwinism to accomplish, an online evolutionist criticized him saying that caterpillars "do not liquefy themselves." However, the world's leading expert on Monarch Butterflies, Dr. Lincoln Brower, whose scientific papers published over 50 years take 15 pages just to list, writes, "Enzymes are being released that digest all the caterpillar tissue, so that the caterpillar is being converted into a rich culture medium... that chrysalis, during the first 3-4 days is literally a bag of rich fluid media that these cells are growing on. ...it truly is a miraculous biological process of transformation"
* Carbon 14 Found in Deep Well Gas: Carbon 14 decays in only thousands of years, and therefore, cannot last for millions of years. Thus, young-earth creationists find evidence that the earth is not billions of years old as Christian and secular scientists find Carbon 14 EVERYWHERE it shouldn't be if the earth were old, including in diamonds, coal, oil, dinosaur fossils, amber! Creation Research Society Quarterly author John Doughty reports now on radiocarbon found in two-mile deep natural gas wells! Doughy concludes, "Once again, fossil gas is not carbon-14 dead. Thus, the age of the gases is on the order of thousands, not millions of years.
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April 1st, 2008, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jefferson
challenge atheists to give a rough description of how evolution could possibly explain (it cannot) a caterpillar liquefying itself and re-creating itself into a butterfly.
This challenge is answered by the next line in Jefferson's post:
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Evolution uses random mutations, small incremental changes, and natural selection.
This type of ignorance has been refuted long ago. Enyart just didn't get the memo.
This challenge is answered by the next line in Jefferson's post:
This type of ignorance has been refuted long ago. Enyart just didn't get the memo.
I really don't think liquifying oneself is generally a great way to perpuate the species. =)
Natural selection is going to choose the path of least resistance, where this liquification process would seem to be rather hard to recover from by chance..
Charles Darwin: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would break down.”
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April 1st, 2008, 03:14 PM
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I really don't think liquifying oneself is generally a great way to perpuate the species. =)
It isn't. Caterpillars don't liquidate themselves in order to perpetuate the species.
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Natural selection is going to choose the path of least resistance, where this liquification process would seem to be rather hard to recover from by chance..
Huh? What do you mean by "recover from by chance"?
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April 1st, 2008, 03:27 PM
Well I bet this Caterpillar could take out a whole bunch of atheists at once!
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April 1st, 2008, 07:46 PM
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What about it? It needs to be shown, not asserted.
Go for it. Show, rather than assert.
"Give a rough description of how evolution could possibly explain (it cannot) a caterpillar liquefying itself and re-creating itself into a butterfly."
(Hint: Merely throwing out evolutionist buzzwords like "random mutations, small incremental changes, and natural selection" does not suffice as even a rough description.)
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April 1st, 2008, 09:18 PM
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It isn't. Caterpillars don't liquidate themselves in order to perpetuate the species.
Caterpillars cannot reproduce/perpetuate the species at all until they've liquidated themselves in order to become butterflies. So Caterpillars do liquidate themselves in order to perpetuate the species - why else?
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Huh? What do you mean by "recover from by chance"?
This type of leap would require caterpillars to have first been able to reproduce without metamorphosis. Then suddenly a massive number of caterpillars made an identical "random mutation" or a "small incremental change" (yowza - not really a small change there) so that no possibility of "natural selection" could ensue until mass liquidation of the population would produce a swarm of reproducing butterflies. What random mutation would alter a caterpillar to make it incapable of reproducing until it had liquidated itself & transformed into a butterfly? Sounds like utter failure to me. What small incremental change could accomplish this task in sufficient quantity to produce enough butterflies to reproduce at all? What natural selection would even be possible to create such a reproductive cycle?
Standard Pastor Bob argument from personal incredulity. In addition he still has not seemed to learn that evolutionary theory is not a synonym for atheism.
But it certainly seems like a fertile area for creation "scientists" to do some--oh you know--research. However, my guess is that the whole issue of metamorphosis, both complete and incomplete, is complicated. It is sooooo much easier to say "How could this be? I don't understand it. So God must have done it this way."
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley
Standard Pastor Bob argument from personal incredulity.
But it certainly seems like a fertile area for creation "scientists" to do some--oh you know--research. But that is another "don't hold your breath" issue.
Perfectly put. The dazzling spectacle of nature is fascinating and worthy of study.
An argument from incredulity is revealing in this case because setting aside the evolution of a lowly caterpillar, it's astonishing to ponder what Enyart and others actually believe without any incredulity whatsoever.
What a mercy it is that these people cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could they would.
Wow purely and simply retarded, held back, stopped dead in your intellectualy tracts. Dumb creationists once said "it truly is a miraculous biological process" of the bombadier beetle, that was quickly refuted and blown out of the water, and some of thes eunderevolved monkeys ares still grinding that one through the mill.
The creationsits motto seems to be "Always refuted never Retracted" Just get your ideas out there and hope the peons and the great unwashed take it as truth and ask no more questions.
And as it happens there are explanations for the evolution of the butterfly with the catapillar being a form of zygote/embryonic version. An advanced and more beautiful "Fly" which starts life as a maggot chyrsalises and is reborn a fly.
Much the same way dolphins grow limbs ebyonically then reduce. The creationists say a baby is a baby from conception so a Cattapillar is a Butterfly. It's just not grown yet but does it have any less rights.... sorry I'm going off down the insane lane lucky I have fundy company though eh...
It makes sense that you can be born early and in great multitude, then eat the the plants instead of needing the energy stored in an egg, then transform into your mating form afterwards.
But the point of the my post is this.
How is mankind ever going progress when all it takes is a few thoughtless unintelligent sheep to simply cry "God did it?" and sit back resting on your genesis.
If you don't know how it came about and you really want to find out try studying it instead of relying on your non existant guy in the sky. To keep you happy knowing nothing.
You are decended from people who thought the earth flat because of your old book of jewish stories, good job you evolved from that one eh? or you'd have no credibility instead of the very very little credibility you currently enjoy.
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[ Richard Dawkins ]
"Give a rough description of how evolution could possibly explain (it cannot) a caterpillar liquefying itself and re-creating itself into a butterfly."
(Hint: Merely throwing out evolutionist buzzwords like "random mutations, small incremental changes, and natural selection" does not suffice as even a rough description.)
Give a rough description? Exactly Turbo, all we are going to see hear is more evolutionist rhetoric and creationist bashing.
Wow purely and simply retarded, held back, stopped dead in your intellectualy tracts. Dumb creationists once said "it truly is a miraculous biological process" of the bombadier beetle, that was quickly refuted and blown out of the water, and some of thes eunderevolved monkeys ares still grinding that one through the mill.
The creationsits motto seems to be "Always refuted never Retracted" Just get your ideas out there and hope the peons and the great unwashed take it as truth and ask no more questions.
And as it happens there are explanations for the evolution of the butterfly with the catapillar being a form of zygote/embryonic version. An advanced and more beautiful "Fly" which starts life as a maggot chyrsalises and is reborn a fly.
Much the same way dolphins grow limbs ebyonically then reduce. The creationists say a baby is a baby from conception so a Cattapillar is a Butterfly. It's just not grown yet but does it have any less rights.... sorry I'm going off down the insane lane lucky I have fundy company though eh...
It makes sense that you can be born early and in great multitude, then eat the the plants instead of needing the energy stored in an egg, then transform into your mating form afterwards.
But the point of the my post is this.
How is mankind ever going progress when all it takes is a few thoughtless unintelligent sheep to simply cry "God did it?" and sit back resting on your genesis.
If you don't know how it came about and you really want to find out try studying it instead of relying on your non existant guy in the sky. To keep you happy knowing nothing.
You are decended from people who thought the earth flat because of your old book of jewish stories, good job you evolved from that one eh? or you'd have no credibility instead of the very very little credibility you currently enjoy.
This is silly. No one has ever explained how incremental random mutations developed in a beetle that never had the ability to then have the ability of a bombadier beetle.
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