That doesn't change anything. Whether he did not make abortion illegal by sponsoring a bill or voted to keep it legal, you position is the same: he is culpable of murder because he did not act to end abortion.
So I am exploring this position a bit. If people in a position to prevent pregnancy by providing birth control are guilty of murder if they refuse to do so. And if not, why not? What is the difference?
Birth control doesn't prevent pregnancy.
McCain is a murderer. He advocates murder, pays for it and has vowed to use his power to keep it legal.
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
I'm really excited for NW's next post. They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate and were just confused about McCain's position. I'm hoping that now we've provided the proof that McCain advocates child-killing, they will agree with us which would be a far greater victory than anything else!
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
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In a world with so many ready to hear, why waste words on the willfully deaf?
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October 6th, 2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill
I'm hoping that now we've provided the proof that McCain advocates child-killing,
Nope, sorry to say you haven't. Rebuttal will be up by the deadline tomorrow.
"When the lights go out all over the world, when history seems headed only into a dead end and total disaster, God brings forth light. He changes the direction of history and regenerates men and redirects events and institutions to fulfill His purposes."
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Evidence that cannot dispel all doubt is still evidence - perhaps very good and overwhelming evidence
Reputation:
October 6th, 2008, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill
They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate.
How do you figure that?
Futility: "More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and hopelessness; the other, to total extinction. Let us pray that we will have the wisdom to choose correctly. I speak, by the way, not with any sense of futility, but with a panicky conviction of the absolute meaninglessness of existence."
- Woody Allen
Hope:
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
Philippians 4:6-8
GGQ8: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ8: Yes.
GGQ9: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to fund the killing of this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ9: Yes.
GGQ10: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to use his power as President to keep it legal to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ10: Yes.
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
Slogan/motto:
Evidence that cannot dispel all doubt is still evidence - perhaps very good and overwhelming evidence
Reputation:
October 6th, 2008, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill
Birth control doesn't prevent pregnancy.
McCain is a murderer. He advocates murder, pays for it and has vowed to use his power to keep it legal.
I'm just curious (this is way out of the scope of the debate), which is worse: killing a baby (in the womb or out) or denying God access to the womb to create a child (denying existence of any kind whatever to a child that God desires to create)?
Denial of life on Earth vs. denial of life at all
BTW, you may want to ramp down the rhetoric - it's lying on a rather rabid level
Futility: "More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and hopelessness; the other, to total extinction. Let us pray that we will have the wisdom to choose correctly. I speak, by the way, not with any sense of futility, but with a panicky conviction of the absolute meaninglessness of existence."
- Woody Allen
Hope:
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
Philippians 4:6-8
Slogan/motto:
Evidence that cannot dispel all doubt is still evidence - perhaps very good and overwhelming evidence
Reputation:
October 6th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GodsfreeWill
GGQ8: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ8: Yes.
GGQ9: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to fund the killing of this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ9: Yes.
GGQ10: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to use his power as President to keep it legal to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ10: Yes.
You honestly think this is a point made? Wow.
Com'on Wanderer - I know you're running a business there, but I can't stand much more of their premature strutting
Futility: "More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and hopelessness; the other, to total extinction. Let us pray that we will have the wisdom to choose correctly. I speak, by the way, not with any sense of futility, but with a panicky conviction of the absolute meaninglessness of existence."
- Woody Allen
Hope:
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
Philippians 4:6-8
I'm just curious (this is way out of the scope of the debate), which is worse: killing a baby (in the womb or out) or denying God access to the womb to create a child (denying existence of any kind whatever to a child that God desires to create)?
Denial of life on Earth vs. denial of life at all
BTW, you may want to ramp down the rhetoric - it's lying on a rather rabid level
God opened and closed wombs in the Bible, and he also rained down food from heaven. Shopping at the grocery store is not a sin, and neither is contraception. (Contraception prevents conception and birth control prevents birth. BIG difference.) Yes this is off topic and maybe a debate for another time. It's one I've promised to discuss with Jill Stanek, so she's first on the list!
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate
You said,
Quote:
How do you figure that?
I said,
Quote:
GGQ8: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ8: Yes.
GGQ9: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to fund the killing of this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ9: Yes.
GGQ10: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to use his power as President to keep it legal to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ10: Yes.
You reply with,
Quote:
You honestly think this is a point made? Wow.
I think you're confused. We think it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate who would kill/fund/keep legal to kill an innocent child. You do too, by your own admission. Therefore...
They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate
What am I missing here?
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
Com'on Wanderer - I know you're running a business there, but I can't stand much more of their premature strutting
There is no strutting here. Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. When 2 Christians disagree on an issue of morality and one sees they're mistaken and they can come to agree, that's a beautiful thing. It's way better than getting an audience to say we won some debate and the pride that our flesh wants out of that. We're here to help edify people in their thoughts and actions.
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
You are missing the fact that the Democratic Party platform supports free legal abortions
You are missing the fact that the democrats are blocking the confirmation of conservative judges who could change the view of the court on laws against abortion
You are missing the fact that the Democratic Party platform supports free legal abortions
And the Republican party wants you to pay for legal abortions. Is there really much difference?
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You are missing the fact that the democrats are blocking the confirmation of conservative judges who could change the view of the court on laws against abortion
And the Republican party hasn't give us ONE Supreme Court justice that believes in the right to life for the unborn. They think the states should decide. Is there really much difference?
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
And the Republican party wants you to pay for legal abortions. Is there really much difference?
And the Republican party hasn't give us ONE Supreme Court justice that believes in the right to life for the unborn. They think the states should decide. Is there really much difference?
If you can’t see the difference, there is a lot that you are missing
If you can’t see the difference, there is a lot that you are missing
Here's chrysostom-
Obama wants to kill kids out of the womb, McCain only wants to kill them in the womb. Vote Republican!
Obama wants you to be able to kill your kid for free, McCain wants you to at least pay for it. Vote Republican!
Obama wants pro-abortion judges, McCain wants judges who agree with him that the legality of killing children should be decided by each individual state. Vote Republican!
Vote Republican and save children!
"Ignorance sustained by denial is crippling this nation's response to abortion. When something is so horrifying that we can't stand to look at it, perhaps we shouldn't be tolerating it." -Gregg Cunningham (Center for Bio-Ethical Reform)
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