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Town Heretic: Brett Favre -
December 28th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Town Heretic, let's hop into our time machine and set the dial for August 7, 2008.
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But then again, after taking a glance at the Jets' schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with an 8-8 or 9-7 record. Will they make the playoffs? I doubt it.
Let the record show that the Jets ended up with a 9-7 record, and did not make the playoffs.
Now, contrast that with;
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Upgrade the O line (done) and establish a running game for Favre to work around, add it to that defense and consider the schedule...by the end of the year they could have 10 wins and be rolling into the playoffs in rythm.
Ouch! TH, do I now officially win that debate? Officially?
"In a fractional reserve banking system like the United States banking system, most of the funds advanced to borrowers (assets of the bank) are created by the banks themselves and are not merely transferred from one set of depositors to another set of borrowers." - Walker F. Todd
Town Heretic, let's hop into our time machine and set the dial for August 7, 2008.
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Originally Posted by JustinFoldsFive
But then again, after taking a glance at the Jets' schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with an 8-8 or 9-7 record. Will they make the playoffs? I doubt it.
Let the record show that the Jets ended up with a 9-7 record, and did not make the playoffs.
Now, contrast that with;
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Originally Posted by Town Heretic
Upgrade the O line (done) and establish a running game for Favre to work around, add it to that defense and consider the schedule...by the end of the year they could have 10 wins and be rolling into the playoffs in rythm.
Ouch! TH, do I now officially win that debate? Officially?
Had you said the Jets would go 9-7 and had I said the Jets would go 10-6 and had THAT been the issue between us, yes. Else, you're attempting to crow over a one game distinction (at best) and make hay from a narrow playoff miss during a season that will see an 11-5 team sit home while a barely better than .500 team wins a division? Who saw any of this? And who bet anything on any of this to the extent they did see even the possibility of it?
You didn't, I didn't, it wasn't and no...in that order.
Speaking of blasts from the past…didn't you also write,
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The Patriots, Colts, Chargers, and Steelers are practically shoe-ins.
Where will the Pats be during the playoffs? The Chargers squeaked in with a last minute dismantling of Denver and even my beloved Colts are only a wild card entry.
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The Jags are beginning to look dominant,
You’re a regular Nostrasomething…
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and the Titans seem to be on the rise [and I surely wouldn't want to mess with Haynesworth!].
Hey, you nailed that one.
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Anyway, I don't see a playoff birth in Favre's horizon, but I think he may have a decent season...well, as long as Chad Pennington doesn't steal the job away from him.
Yes, you thought the Jets would keep both on their roster…
See what happens when you try to parley a rousing "maybe" into an emphatic something?
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December 29th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Zing!
"In a fractional reserve banking system like the United States banking system, most of the funds advanced to borrowers (assets of the bank) are created by the banks themselves and are not merely transferred from one set of depositors to another set of borrowers." - Walker F. Todd
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December 29th, 2008, 09:13 AM
TH, the much larger point which you seem to be overlooking is the fact that Brett Favre turned out to be an absolute bust. Plain and simple. Not only did he end up with 22 interceptions to match his 22 touchdowns, but he threw an astronomical eight interceptions over the last four games as compared to a meager two touchdowns. Yes, Favre brought a certain enthusiasm to the disillusioned Jets, but it is quite easy to make the argument that Favre was more of a detriment than an asset on the football field. As I warned prior to the season, this wasn't 2007-2008 Brett Favre, who was suddenly (and unexpectedly) having the season of his life. This was going to be the Favre of 2005-2006 [20 TD - 29 Int] and 2006-2007 [18 TD - 18 Int], where he felt the need to turn a big play on every down and, as a result, recklessly slung the ball around the field. You were under the impression that Favre would continue on his hot streak. I contended that the 2007-2008 season was very much a fluke, and that Favre would return struggling ways with the Jets. And he did.
At this point, I can't imagine that Favre will come back next year. Actually, no I feel safe in guaranteeing that he will not. If you watched the end of that game yesterday, it was very evident that this wasn't the end of the man's season; but of his career. And it was sad (for him, certainly). Favre could have left the NFL on a high note; leaving after he resurrected the Packers and took them to the NFC championship game. Unfortunately, he became a bit greedy and decided to un-retire, hoping to bring back some of that 2007-2008 magic. But it was a pipe dream, and this past season showed just that. Now, Favre is left to ride off into the sunset following an historic late-season collapse; a collapse which many attribute to his erratic play. It's sad that it turned out that way for one of the greatest player's this league has ever known, but as in anything else, you have to know when to walk away. Favre didn't, and now he has to live with that.
"In a fractional reserve banking system like the United States banking system, most of the funds advanced to borrowers (assets of the bank) are created by the banks themselves and are not merely transferred from one set of depositors to another set of borrowers." - Walker F. Todd
TH, the much larger point which you seem to be overlooking is the fact that Brett Favre turned out to be an absolute bust.
If you think that improving from 4-12 to 9-7 is a bust year, sure. What are you a stock broker?
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Plain and simple.
I'll second the second part of that, at any rate.
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Not only did he end up with 22 interceptions to match his 22 touchdowns, but he threw an astronomical eight interceptions over the last four games as compared to a meager two touchdowns.
Which, for those of you playing at home, means he was 20-12 going into that stretch. Not bad by any standard.
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Yes, Favre brought a certain enthusiasm to the disillusioned Jets, but it is quite easy to make the argument that Favre was more of a detriment than an asset on the football field.
Only if you ignore the win/loss thing...and how well did Favre's former team fare without him under center? I mean, his replacement had a fine statistical year...and yet. Favre elevates team play. Unfortunately, his team in New York couldn't handle success and that forced Favre into making the sorts of attempts to shoulder the offense that was doomed to failure.
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As I warned prior to the season, this wasn't 2007-2008 Brett Favre, who was suddenly (and unexpectedly) having the season of his life.
Actually, you said he might have good year. You were that committed in general...which was part of the reason I continue to mock this "I had it down" presentation. Look, I'm sure Jets fans are disappointed not to have won what was within their grasp or to be in the playoffs, but only an idiot Jets fan (which still leaves around 15%) would say they weren't an obviously better team with Favre than they were without him.
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This was going to be the Favre of 2005-2006 [20 TD - 29 Int] and 2006-2007 [18 TD - 18 Int], where he felt the need to turn a big play on every down and, as a result, recklessly slung the ball around the field. You were under the impression that Favre would continue on his hot streak.
Nope. Find where I said that. I thought Favre could take a team with a respectable defense and a ground game made possible by his presence to, potentially, a ten win season and have them rolling into the playoffs. Both of those things were as near to happening as not.
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I contended that the 2007-2008 season was very much a fluke, and that Favre would return struggling ways with the Jets. And he did.
Did you say fluke? I don't recall it. And comparing Favre's last year in a familiar system against familar schemes and opponents with the first year under a new scheme and mostly unknown opponents/coaches, etc., is about as fair and balanced as most of what you're offering more stridently in hindsight than you ever did once upon...which is to say, not very.
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At this point, I can't imagine that Favre will come back next year.
Who knows? All we can say for certain is that if he doesn't you'll likely remind us how we all insisted that he would and you set out clearly that he wouldn't...
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Actually, no I feel safe in guaranteeing that he will not. If you watched the end of that game yesterday, it was very evident that this wasn't the end of the man's season; but of his career.
Well, that's a little better. Now you can quote with certainty a more certain quote. As for reading Favre...good luck. It's been tried to no great success. That said, given his age, it's certainly possible. It's also possible he'll want another year under center with a better familiarity and a few improvements in team composition. Maybe he'll decide it's worth it. Who knows? Favre might not, at this point.
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And it was sad (for him, certainly). Favre could have left the NFL on a high note; leaving after he resurrected the Packers and took them to the NFC championship game.
Which is why he might come back, though I can see him thinking that elevating a 4 win team to the cusp of a playoff berth and division title was sufficient, however deficient your appreciation.
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Unfortunately, he became a bit greedy and decided to un-retire, hoping to bring back some of that 2007-2008 magic.
That's just your laughable bias bubbling out of the ground like nonsensical crude.
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But it was a pipe dream, and this past season showed just that.
Same sort of nonsense. Again, comparing apples and oranges. Give Favre the same familiarity with the things I noted (things you should have considered to at least have given your posturing the appearance of objectivity) and who knows what would have happened? No one does. All we know is that he took a bad team to a better place and struggled, as he was likely to, in doing it.
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Now, Favre is left to ride off into the sunset following an historic late-season collapse; a collapse which many attribute to his erratic play.
And by many I'd suggest people like you, who are to objective analysis where Favre is concerned what Neville Chamberlain was to fathoming Hitler.
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It's sad that it turned out that way for one of the greatest player's this league has ever known,
Yes, your faux grief is palpable...well, something is, so watch where you're stepping.
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but as in anything else, you have to know when to walk away. Favre didn't, and now he has to live with that.
...but if you had done that I wouldn't still be having this much fun. So
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December 29th, 2008, 10:07 AM
And to that overwhelmingly long (yet underwhelmingly enlightening) post, I have but one thing to say; ZING!
P.S. I am still in mourning after my Cowboys got rocked by the Eagles. My shrink told me I should stay away from the topic of football [or at least sharp objects] for a few weeks. Until then...
"In a fractional reserve banking system like the United States banking system, most of the funds advanced to borrowers (assets of the bank) are created by the banks themselves and are not merely transferred from one set of depositors to another set of borrowers." - Walker F. Todd
And to that overwhelmingly long (yet underwhelmingly enlightening) post, I have but one thing to say; ZING!
Like beauty, I suppose.
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P.S. I am still in mourning after my Cowboys got rocked by the Eagles. My shrink told me I should stay away from the topic of football [or at least sharp objects] for a few weeks. Until then...
Now there's an ouch I can empathize with...amazing meltdown. Does this mean Romo has to go or just the coaching staff? Or the owner...or the fans maybe...
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You’re a regular Nostrasomething…
...or the little guy behind the guy who just said something he considered clever who sings out, "Zing!"
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