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You really think prison rape is solely about sexual satisfaction?
No. I said it was primarily about dominance.
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All forced rape is about dominance.
Where do you get this "all" nonsense?
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All of it. Even date rape. The reason for date rape is because the rapist expects that the victim would not willingly have sex with them. So, in their minds, they are going to make them have sex. That is domination.
But is domination the sole, or even the primary goal? Date rape is more commonly associated with frustration at being denied what, in the rapists mind, they are owed. Oppurtunistic rape is often accomanied by the disclaimer, "she was asking for it". Dominance is associated with rape, but it is by no means the entire story.
Stop being a simpleton.
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How stupid are you?
The only time it is called murder and it wasn't the intention that someone be dead is when it's labeled as accidental homicide.
And just because there isn't a desire to kill a specific person does not negate the fact that the end result of intentionally killing anyone is that the victim is dead. Even if it didn't matter who was killed.
LH, you're really being obtuse here, trying to have your cake and eat it too. Criminals are not all of one mind and one motivation. There are as many reasons why someone commits a crime as there are criminals. It is useful to look for similarities but it is stupid to pretend that the similarities are all that exist and there are no differences.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
But is domination the sole, or even the primary goal? Date rape is more commonly associated with frustration at being denied what, in the rapists mind, they are owed. Oppurtunistic rape is often accomanied by the disclaimer, "she was asking for it". Dominance is associated with rape, but it is by no means the entire story.
Stop being a simpleton.
I never said it was the entire story, did I? I only said it plays the biggest role. And if you honestly think that a rapist would not have raped a woman who was not acting in a way he interpreted as "asking for it" you're more of an idiot than I thought.
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LH, you're really being obtuse here, trying to have your cake and eat it too. Criminals are not all of one mind and one motivation. There are as many reasons why someone commits a crime as there are criminals. It is useful to look for similarities but it is stupid to pretend that the similarities are all that exist and there are no differences.
You are a flaming imbecile!
Not once have I said the similarities are all that exist or that there are no differences. Nor have I suggested it.
I never said it was the entire story, did I? I only said it plays the biggest role. And if you honestly think that a rapist would not have raped a woman who was not acting in a way he interpreted as "asking for it" you're more of an idiot than I thought.
You are a flaming imbecile!
Not once have I said the similarities are all that exist or that there are no differences. Nor have I suggested it.
You are the dumbest of the dumb.
All you have done is suggest that the similarities are all that matter (all murder, all rape...). If you now acknowledge that this is not the case, that means that your earlier statements are meaningless.
Make up your mind. Or ask someone to make it for you.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
I said they were not on par in terms of violence or violation. That is the only distinction I ever made.
Also, I would propose that if there were a punishment worse than death that was moral and ethical that some of these crimes should receive them while others should still receive only death. But there isn't. So death is the ultimate punishment we have. So once you hit a crime that deserves death any crimes that are worse will still receive death.
This has nothing to do with hate. But it is true that God commanded death for homosexuality, rape, murder, kidnapping and adultery. At least outside of the very clearly religious symbolic and ceremonial laws like the Sabbath, for which death was the punishment if one were to work during it. But the Sabbath was clearly a religious law, and it is even stated in the Torah that it was a covenant between God and Israel. So no one else is to be held to it. In any manner. But the five crimes I listed apart from that were not religious in nature. And while it may not be agreed that homosexuality is wrong it is agreed among the majority of people that the other four are, not only for Israel, but for all people. So the only thing left for those who disagree that homosexuality is wrong for all people and that Christians shouldn't support its re-criminalization is to show that it was religious in nature and symbolic and ceremonial only.
Well then, cheers to the secular capacity for rational discernment and just punishment!
Perhaps God, in all His infinite wisdom, needs to peruse the 8th Amendment of the US Constitution.
As I stated earlier: "You can keep it....it's worthless."
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July 19th, 2009, 08:13 PM
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I apologize. I misread.
Moron.
I never said it was the entire story, did I? I only said it plays the biggest role. And if you honestly think that a rapist would not have raped a woman who was not acting in a way he interpreted as "asking for it" you're more of an idiot than I thought.
You are a flaming imbecile!
Not once have I said the similarities are all that exist or that there are no differences. Nor have I suggested it.
You are the dumbest of the dumb.
You are a moron, an idiot, and a fool, who hides your stupidity behind a facade of religious commitment.
All you have done is suggest that the similarities are all that matter (all murder, all rape...). If you now acknowledge that this is not the case, that means that your earlier statements are meaningless.
Make up your mind. Or ask someone to make it for you.
At what point did I suggest that the similarities were all that mattered?
I will say this: as far as punishment goes motive should never play a role in deciding what the punishment should be. Only intention. Which means that even attempted murder should receive the same punishment as murder. IMO. And that punishment should be death.
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Well then, cheers to the secular capacity for rational discernment and just punishment!
Perhaps God, in all His infinite wisdom, needs to peruse the 8th Amendment of the US Constitution.
As I stated earlier: "You can keep it....it's worthless."
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You are a moron, an idiot, and a fool, who hides your stupidity behind a facade of religious commitment.
At what point did I suggest that the similarities were all that mattered?
I will say this: as far as punishment goes motive should never play a role in deciding what the punishment should be. Only intention. Which means that even attempted murder should receive the same punishment as murder. IMO. And that punishment should be death.
Wow.
Just wow.
The things that come out of your proverbial mouth sometimes...
Does that logic apply to anything but criminal law? Should trying to cure cancer be treated the same as actually effectively cancelling the death sentences of millions upon millions of people? Should trying to do your job be treated the same as actually putting in your 8 and 5?
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
Wow.
Just wow.
The things that come out of your proverbial mouth sometimes...
Does that logic apply to anything but criminal law? Should trying to cure cancer be treated the same as actually effectively cancelling the death sentences of millions upon millions of people? Should trying to do your job be treated the same as actually putting in your 8 and 5?
That's just for socks and weird knick-knacks made from embalmed frogs.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
Wow.
Just wow.
The things that come out of your proverbial mouth sometimes...
Does that logic apply to anything but criminal law? Should trying to cure cancer be treated the same as actually effectively cancelling the death sentences of millions upon millions of people? Should trying to do your job be treated the same as actually putting in your 8 and 5?
does that mean I can go home from work now and still get paid for 8 hours?
does that mean I can go home from work now and still get paid for 8 hours?
I'm going to have to pitch that idea to the boss.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
God demands the death penalty for homosexuality? Are you kidding?
The BIBLE contains statements condemning homosexuality.
That doesn't mean that God demands it. And do you think the US government should execute homosexuals because of some things written in the Bible? Come on . This isn't Iran, Saudi Arabia ,or Afghanistan under the Taliban. This country is not a theocracy.
At least for NOW . But let's hope that religious wackos in America never get that kind of power.
God demands the death penalty for homosexuality? Are you kidding?
The BIBLE contains statements condemning homosexuality.
That doesn't mean that God demands it. And do you think the US government should execute homosexuals because of some things written in the Bible? Come on . This isn't Iran, Saudi Arabia ,or Afghanistan under the Taliban. This country is not a theocracy.
At least for NOW . But let's hope that religious wackos in America never get that kind of power.
They won't and they know it. It just makes them feel good to bark about it. Can you imagine even one congressman standing up and saying with a straight face that gay sex should be a crime in this day and age!? He might as well spit on a flag and throw an apple pie at an old lady.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
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July 22nd, 2009, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse
I never said it was the entire story, did I? I only said it plays the biggest role. And if you honestly think that a rapist would not have raped a woman who was not acting in a way he interpreted as "asking for it" you're more of an idiot than I thought.
Wow! Just Wow!
Is this what rapists tell you?
The whole concept of rape is about the woman not welcoming the sexual behavior, or being to young to make an adult decision about it.
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July 23rd, 2009, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Horn
God demands the death penalty for homosexuality? Are you kidding?
The BIBLE contains statements condemning homosexuality.
That doesn't mean that God demands it. And do you think the US government should execute homosexuals because of some things written in the Bible? Come on . This isn't Iran, Saudi Arabia ,or Afghanistan under the Taliban. This country is not a theocracy.
At least for NOW . But let's hope that religious wackos in America never get that kind of power.
They won't! Religious wackos (Rev. Fred Phelps) are really few and far between, thank God.
They had their chance way back when this country was starting up and blew it. People will not tolerate religious abuse for long.
Hell, ole Freddy boy has only been able to attract his immediate family to his flock..?...which is a compliment to most Christians.
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