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King David -past, present, and future. -
July 21st, 2009, 01:48 PM
David's life is well documented in the scriptures. Many pages are filled with just his history alone. We find him woven throughout like a thread that flows from Ruth,
through the history books,
the psalms and the prohets,
the gospels,
as Peter stands on the day of pentecost and speaks of David,
as Paul leaves Timothy with the admonishment "Consider what I say:and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. REMEMBER that Jesus Christ OF THE SEED OF DAVID was raised from the dead according to my gospel"
It keeps flowing right on to the very end, even Revelation 22:16-
"I Jesus.....I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".
The book of Ruth establishes without controversy the line of David.
David's name is mentioned approx. 1,189x's in scripture. Yes i took the time to count!
This is noteworthy when compared to lets say Moses or Abe who are mentioned like 650 and 750 times or so. David's prominence alone is enough to turn a student of the Words head.
He seems to be by far the most talked about character beyond Jehovah and Christ himself.
A study of David, like I have tried to show, will guide the searcher of God's Word down a path that flows from the past through the present right on into what God promised David in the future.
Having said all that, I humbly open this thread with a view towards seeing David's place:
in the past,
peter's gives the definate word on David's present state Acts 2:29,
and so much is found as to David's future place, I hardly know where to begin.
I suppose if any are indulgent enough to still be reading this, I would like to open the thread to any who are willing to find some joy in the astonishing truth that surrounds this most interesting of Biblical characters.
Any takers, please jump in! I pray this will be a blessing to all who enter this discussion.
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David -
July 21st, 2009, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrial
David's life is well documented in the scriptures. Many pages are filled with just his history alone. We find him woven throughout like a thread that flows from Ruth,
through the history books,
the psalms and the prohets,
the gospels,
as Peter stands on the day of pentecost and speaks of David,
as Paul leaves Timothy with the admonishment "Consider what I say:and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. REMEMBER that Jesus Christ OF THE SEED OF DAVID was raised from the dead according to my gospel"
It keeps flowing right on to the very end, even Revelation 22:16-
"I Jesus.....I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".
The book of Ruth establishes without controversy the line of David.
David's name is mentioned approx. 1,189x's in scripture. Yes i took the time to count!
This is noteworthy when compared to lets say Moses or Abe who are mentioned like 650 and 750 times or so. David's prominence alone is enough to turn a student of the Words head.
He seems to be by far the most talked about character beyond Jehovah and Christ himself.
A study of David, like I have tried to show, will guide the searcher of God's Word down a path that flows from the past through the present right on into what God promised David in the future.
Having said all that, I humbly open this thread with a view towards seeing David's place:
in the past,
peter's gives the definate word on David's present state Acts 2:29,
and so much is found as to David's future place, I hardly know where to begin.
I suppose if any are indulgent enough to still be reading this, I would like to open the thread to any who are willing to find some joy in the astonishing truth that surrounds this most interesting of Biblical characters.
Any takers, please jump in! I pray this will be a blessing to all who enter this discussion.
God loved David. When the Ark of the Covenant was brought through the streets David danced for joy, in the streets for all to see. David loved God. David loved his children. David paid dearly for his sins, yet, God continued to love David. peace, bybee
Ruth and the line of Judah -
July 25th, 2009, 11:25 AM
The first mention of David is found in the history of Ruth.
Ruth 4:17 and 22 (the last verse of the book) establish, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the pedigree of David.
It is of note, that the phrase "these are the generations" is found in the geneology given in Ruth 4:18-22. This is the last of thirteen so described generations given in the OT. The next one given, the fourteeneth, opens the book of Matthew. We leave off with David, and the sure record of his pedigree. David to Christ.
A peek back at the book of Genesis=we see the intro laid out in 1:1-2:3 and the rest of the book, Gen 2:4-50:26 , is a record of 11 generations, stretching from, 2:4-these are the generations of the heavens and of the earth-Adam-Noah-the sons of Noah-Shem-Terah-Ishmael-Isaac-Esau-the sons of Esau-Jacob, number 11-
(Gen 2:4-50:26 ).
Number 12, is found in numbers 3:1, which leads us to Ruth.
Ruth 4:18 begins with -
"Now these are the generations of Pharez:". Pharez was the son of Judah, (Gen.38-the account of Thamar, and how Judah fails to fulfill the obligation to Thamar, by not sending his other son to thamar as her husband had died. Thamar eventually takes things into her own hands, and gives birth to a set of twins, Pharez and Zarah. During delivery Zarah managages to stick his hand out first, and is tagged by red ribbon. Yet, somehow Pharez actually escapes the womb first.
interesting, anyway.
A Comparison can be made also to the repitition that emphasises David's importance. We see in verse 17: Obed, Jesse, David
18:-:21 the gen of Pharez and then back again to Obed, Jesse, David.
We find in the next or 14th of the generations, this repeated, in Matthew 1:1 and :6-
Notice David is prominent (Son of David Son of Abe), even though Matthew gives us the royal line starting with Abraham. David is found in verse 6, And Jesse begat Daivd the King, and David the king.....the emphasis is found in the opening verse, and here where David, like in Ruth, is mentioned twice. Not only that, he is described as King, twice, the only one described as such, even though others in the generation were kings.
So we see in the story of Ruth, yes, a beautuful love story, a kinsman-redeemer, BUT more more to the point, what we have in this beautiful, extremely detailed account, is the history of how the line (Judah) was in jeopardy and redeemed. The line of Judah, was in peril once again, like it was in Gen 38. Ruth gives a legal record of just how this lineage, pedigree was continued.
Ruth and Boaz would be David's great-granparents. The field that Boaz purchased, quite legally, was probably the same field that Jesse fetched a young lad named David from, so Samuel could annoint him.
David teneded the sheep, in his great grandfathers field, and in quite possibly, the same fields (Bethlehem-this was the location of the fields Boaz purchased) that the shepherds were in the night that Christ was born in Bethlehem, the city of David, as it was called.
So we see in the first mention of David some things of great importance, and interest. David being central to the pedigree of Christ.
One more thing of interest both the royal line and the legal line (luke 3) merge at David. Thru Bathsheba, we find the line diverges, one thru her son Solomon (the regal line--"the throne of His father David" Luke 1:32) and the other, thru her Son Nathan (the natural legal line-"the seed of the woman" Gen. 3).
These two lines of the sons of Bathsheba meet again at Joseph (thru solomon) and Mary (thru his brother Nathan). Kinda interesting to say the least! The regal line and the legal line MEET IN CHRIST....no one else could have fit the bill, quite amazing!
All this just in the first look of the mention of david. God is great!
So I thank you for your patience in my response, life is demanding!
The first mention of David is found in the history of Ruth.
Ruth 4:17 and 22 (the last verse of the book) establish, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the pedigree of David.
It is of note, that the phrase "these are the generations" is found in the geneology given in Ruth 4:18-22. This is the last of thirteen so described generations given in the OT. The next one given, the fourteeneth, opens the book of Matthew. We leave off with David, and the sure record of his pedigree. David to Christ.
A peek back at the book of Genesis=we see the intro laid out in 1:1-2:3 and the rest of the book, Gen 2:4-50:26 , is a record of 11 generations, stretching from, 2:4-these are the generations of the heavens and of the earth-Adam-Noah-the sons of Noah-Shem-Terah-Ishmael-Isaac-Esau-the sons of Esau-Jacob, number 11-
(Gen 2:4-50:26 ).
Number 12, is found in numbers 3:1, which leads us to Ruth.
Ruth 4:18 begins with -
"Now these are the generations of Pharez:". Pharez was the son of Judah, (Gen.38-the account of Thamar, and how Judah fails to fulfill the obligation to Thamar, by not sending his other son to thamar as her husband had died. Thamar eventually takes things into her own hands, and gives birth to a set of twins, Pharez and Zarah. During delivery Zarah managages to stick his hand out first, and is tagged by red ribbon. Yet, somehow Pharez actually escapes the womb first.
interesting, anyway.
A Comparison can be made also to the repitition that emphasises David's importance. We see in verse 17: Obed, Jesse, David
18:-:21 the gen of Pharez and then back again to Obed, Jesse, David.
We find in the next or 14th of the generations, this repeated, in Matthew 1:1 and :6-
Notice David is prominent (Son of David Son of Abe), even though Matthew gives us the royal line starting with Abraham. David is found in verse 6, And Jesse begat Daivd the King, and David the king.....the emphasis is found in the opening verse, and here where David, like in Ruth, is mentioned twice. Not only that, he is described as King, twice, the only one described as such, even though others in the generation were kings.
So we see in the story of Ruth, yes, a beautuful love story, a kinsman-redeemer, BUT more more to the point, what we have in this beautiful, extremely detailed account, is the history of how the line (Judah) was in jeopardy and redeemed. The line of Judah, was in peril once again, like it was in Gen 38. Ruth gives a legal record of just how this lineage, pedigree was continued.
Ruth and Boaz would be David's great-granparents. The field that Boaz purchased, quite legally, was probably the same field that Jesse fetched a young lad named David from, so Samuel could annoint him.
David teneded the sheep, in his great grandfathers field, and in quite possibly, the same fields (Bethlehem-this was the location of the fields Boaz purchased) that the shepherds were in the night that Christ was born in Bethlehem, the city of David, as it was called.
So we see in the first mention of David some things of great importance, and interest. David being central to the pedigree of Christ.
One more thing of interest both the royal line and the legal line (luke 3) merge at David. Thru Bathsheba, we find the line diverges, one thru her son Solomon (the regal line--"the throne of His father David" Luke 1:32) and the other, thru her Son Nathan (the natural legal line-"the seed of the woman" Gen. 3).
These two lines of the sons of Bathsheba meet again at Joseph (thru solomon) and Mary (thru his brother Nathan). Kinda interesting to say the least! The regal line and the legal line MEET IN CHRIST....no one else could have fit the bill, quite amazing!
All this just in the first look of the mention of david. God is great!
So I thank you for your patience in my response, life is demanding!
Thank you friend for sharing your long hours of research. I enjoyed your post.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
David certainly deserves some attention. Thank you all for your kind responses. I would like to see more presentation of Facts around here-kinda like the fox news of theology-we report, you decide!
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July 26th, 2009, 09:05 AM
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David certainly deserves some attention. Thank you all for your kind responses. I would like to see more presentation of Facts around here-kinda like the fox news of theology-we report, you decide!
We could start with Samuel's involvement in David's life? A topic of interest to me is David's friendship with Jonathan. Jonathan was the better man yet God chose David. Another interesting surmise, both Samuel and David (at least in his early days) were not socialized with the idea of a King as the head of Israel. What a "sea change" the monarchy must have been in every aspect of life for the Children of Israel in those days. God's love for David is awe-inspiring. Perhaps because he was to be the vessel from whom the Savior would claim both kinship and Kingship? peace, bybee Just sticking to the facts can result in a listing of data that everybody knows already! I like to see peoples conclusions from the facts! again peace, bybee
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July 26th, 2009, 02:46 PM
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One more thing of interest both the royal line and the legal line (luke 3) merge at David. Thru Bathsheba, we find the line diverges, one thru her son Solomon (the regal line--"the throne of His father David" Luke 1:32) and the other, thru her Son Nathan (the natural legal line-"the seed of the woman" Gen. 3).
King David... I can hardly wait to meet him!
Anyway, thanks for the neat post.
Please give some verses regarding the line through Nathan.
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July 26th, 2009, 02:57 PM
There is reference in the Oral Law that King David was not the son of the same mother as the older 7 brothers and sons of Jesse.
His mother was a "wanton woman"? Maybe not the right term, but David was not blood by the mother with the others. Hence, he was ruddy and looked different. I have always been curious that of the 20 mothers of the Kings of Israel, David's alone (maybe one other) is not named. It is either a slight or she is a hidden sign of some type. Any thoughts?
David was the 8th son. An interesting point. The seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent Gen 3:15 and that would be after the "week" of Israel had been completed. I Samuel 16:10
btw I have 5 smooth stones from a dry brook in the area where this took place in the Holy Land. I Samuel 17:40
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July 26th, 2009, 03:07 PM
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These two lines of the sons of Bathsheba meet again at Joseph (thru solomon) and Mary (thru his brother Nathan). Kinda interesting to say the least! The regal line and the legal line MEET IN CHRIST....no one else could have fit the bill, quite amazing!
I have pondered how that must have felt to Mary and Joseph to be of the royal line and rightful heirs to the earthly throne, and yet to suffer poverty and want. And that mean ole Herod who was barely Jewish (if at all) got to sit on the throne.
But the Jews were masters of geneology. Even the beggars and the blind knew who Jesus really was... Son of David! ...they called out to Him as He passed by... Son of David!
It has been noted that the reason Jesus got the Upper Room to institute the Lord's Supper the night of the Last Passover is because He was of the royal line and Tribe.
The tomb of King david lies below the Upper Room, and it is said Solomon, Melkisedek (Shem) Hezekiah and many other Kings are buried there on Mt. Zion also. In ancient days it was part of the Royal palace, but since the city has been raised a few times (70 AD and 135 AD some of the worst), the wall of Jerusalem does not encompass the Kings Palace area since then. The Bible calls it the millo? Is that right?
Please give some verses regarding the line through Nathan.
Sure Shiela B. Luke 3:31 is the testimony concerning the legal line through David's second surviving son, Nathan. Solomons' line is found recorded in Matt. 1:6-7. Bathsheba was the mother of both 1 Kings 1:11. Mary's father, Heli comes through Nathan's line, while Joseph's father Jacob, comes through Solomon's royal line-- 1 Kings 1:30-31.
[quote=Sheila B;2102058]There is reference in the Oral Law that King David was not the son of the same mother as the older 7 brothers and sons of Jesse.
His mother was a "wanton woman"? Maybe not the right term, but David was not blood by the mother with the others. Hence, he was ruddy and looked different. I have always been curious that of the 20 mothers of the Kings of Israel, David's alone (maybe one other) is not named. It is either a slight or she is a hidden sign of some type. Any thoughts?
David was the 8th son. An interesting point. The seed of the woman would crush the head of the serpent Gen 3:15 and that would be after the "week" of Israel had been completed. I Samuel 16:10
btw I have 5 smooth stones from a dry brook in the area where this took place in the Holy Land. I Samuel 17:40
Cool about the stones...like to see it someday...maybe David will show us the brook where he armed himself against the giant!
Don't know much of david's mom, Ruth was his great g-ma, and before than Rahab is found in his pretty immmediate line also. Salmon in Ruth 4:20-21, Boazs' father, was a nephew of Aaron and married Rahab, thus she is his great great grandmother, and is given mention in the royal line if matthew 1:5. But nothing of David's Mom that I know of.
I have pondered how that must have felt to Mary and Joseph to be of the royal line and rightful heirs to the earthly throne, and yet to suffer poverty and want. And that mean ole Herod who was barely Jewish (if at all) got to sit on the throne.
But the Jews were masters of geneology. Even the beggars and the blind knew who Jesus really was... Son of David! ...they called out to Him as He passed by... Son of David!
It has been noted that the reason Jesus got the Upper Room to institute the Lord's Supper the night of the Last Passover is because He was of the royal line and Tribe.
The tomb of King david lies below the Upper Room, and it is said Solomon, Melkisedek (Shem) Hezekiah and many other Kings are buried there on Mt. Zion also. In ancient days it was part of the Royal palace, but since the city has been raised a few times (70 AD and 135 AD some of the worst), the wall of Jerusalem does not encompass the Kings Palace area since then. The Bible calls it the millo? Is that right?
Yes it must have been hard for Mary! The injustice of it all must have been galling! She certainly knew who he was-whatsoever he saith unto you, do it, she commands the servants John 2:1-11. And they do! Maybe she got some small satisfaction there, I hope1 haha
The genelogy of Christ was well documented. As you point out, the jews were masters of geneoloy keeping. I am glad you bring up the son of David thing. This title is found in 7 passages in Matthew. It open the book and is the context of the last question he asked of the religious rulers of the day. "If David then call him Lord, how is He his Son? "
A glimpse at the occurances of the title "Son of David" as found in Matthew are telling!
It has been noted that the reason Jesus got the Upper Room to institute the Lord's Supper the night of the Last Passover is because He was of the royal line and Tribe.
The tomb of King david lies below the Upper Room, and it is said Solomon, Melkisedek (Shem) Hezekiah and many other Kings are buried there on Mt. Zion also. In ancient days it was part of the Royal palace, but since the city has been raised a few times (70 AD and 135 AD some of the worst), the wall of Jerusalem does not encompass the Kings Palace area since then. The Bible calls it the millo? Is that right?
Thanks for this insight---yes it seems much history occured in a very small geographical area! When peter points out on the day of pentecost, the location of david's tomb--it must have been very nearby, maybe close enough to be an actual visual. The fact that "David was both dead and buried and his sephlechure with us until this day"Acts 2:29 was probably easy to see to all who were present there. They had been hangin out in the upper room upon their return from witnessing the ascension of Christ Act 1;13.
We are given a very private glimpse into the upper room during the last hours of our Lord in the book of John, chapters 13-14.
It seems it has it's place and the fact that Christ spent his last few hours there is telling.
David's pedigree leads right to Christ. Paul warns Titus (3:9) and Timothy (1 Tim 1:4) not to pay attention to endless geneologies--they were no longer relevant--the point of the exactness of jewish birth-records was come!
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