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Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
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July 24th, 2009, 07:19 AM
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What is certain, however, is that Obama's freefall since his inauguration is fourth most impressive in the post WWII era.
Obama 64 - 55, 9 points in six months
Clinton 58-41, 17 points in six months
Ford 71-39, 22 points in six months
Truman 87-63, 24 points in six months
Mostly, he lost the support of conservative republicans. On the other hand, it's interesting to note that each of these presidents,except for Carter, is now considered better than average by historians in in polls.
1. George Washington (94% favorable)
2. Abraham Lincoln (92% favorable)
3. Thomas Jefferson (89% favorable)
4. Theodore Roosevelt (84% favorable)
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt (81% favorable)
6. John F. Kennedy (80% favorable)
7. John Adams (74% favorable)
8. James Madison (73% favorable)
9. Ronald Reagan (72% favorable)
10. Dwight Eisenhower (72% favorable)
11. Harry Truman (70% favorable)
12. Andrew Jackson (69% favorable)
13. Gerald Ford (62% favorable)
14. John Quincy Adams (59% favorable)
15. Ulysses S. Grant (58% favorable)
16. George H.W. Bush (57% favorable)
17. William Taft (57% favorable)
18. Jimmy Carter (57% favorable)
19. Woodrow Wilson (56% favorable)
20. Bill Clinton (55% favorable)
Maybe a drop from extremely high to high means they did something of consequence. Or maybe not. Bush, if you remove 9/11 dropped freely, and he did a lot of things. And the public rates him second worst.
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Wow! I get a slogan or life motto??? Is this a great website or what?
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July 24th, 2009, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Barbarian
Mostly, he lost the support of conservative republicans.
If you say so. Surveys I've seen show he's losing support across the board, even among blacks.
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On the other hand, it's interesting to note that each of these presidents,except for Carter, is now considered better than average by historians in in polls.
Each of which presidents? The four I listed? I didn't include Carter in my list.
1. George Washington (94% favorable)
2. Abraham Lincoln (92% favorable)
3. Thomas Jefferson (89% favorable)
4. Theodore Roosevelt (84% favorable)
5. Franklin D. Roosevelt (81% favorable)
6. John F. Kennedy (80% favorable)
7. John Adams (74% favorable)
8. James Madison (73% favorable)
9. Ronald Reagan (72% favorable)
10. Dwight Eisenhower (72% favorable)
11. Harry Truman (70% favorable)
12. Andrew Jackson (69% favorable)
13. Gerald Ford (62% favorable)
14. John Quincy Adams (59% favorable)
15. Ulysses S. Grant (58% favorable)
16. George H.W. Bush (57% favorable)
17. William Taft (57% favorable)
18. Jimmy Carter (57% favorable)
19. Woodrow Wilson (56% favorable)
20. Bill Clinton (55% favorable)
Maybe a drop from extremely high to high means they did something of consequence. Or maybe not.
Like I said, unless you have a crystal ball, it's pretty foolish to extrapolate based on six months worth of data.
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Bush, if you remove 9/11
Gee, wouldn't that be more than a little dishonest? I mean, that's like saying "Carter, if you remove the oil crisis and the Iranian hostage crisis..." or "Roosevelt, if you remove the Depression and WWII..."
9/11 defined Bush's Presidency.
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Real world can be really annoying, um?
Annoying? No.
You just have to keep an eye out for dishonest partisan hacks like the Barbieman.
Slogan/motto:
Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
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July 24th, 2009, 10:09 AM
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You just have to keep an eye out for dishonest partisan hacks like the Barbieman.
As one person PMed me here" "Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts!"
Here's another one that's going to send Koban into a tizzy of ad hom:
Gallup reports this week that confidence in Obama to be a good president is up again, to 68%. It's only exceeded that twice since they began checking (69 and 70) http://www.gallup.com/poll/112006/Ga...nce-Obama.aspx
Note also that the percent of those who are not confident of Obama's ability to be a good president has dropped to 21%, lowest since Gallup started measuring. I can hardly wait for Koban's rebuttal. "Yeah, but the Barbarian is a mean old poopy-head." Koban regards facts the way a vampire regards a crucifix.
Barbarian cites polling data:
Mostly, he lost the support of conservative republicans.
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If you say so.
No, the polls say so...
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Surveys I've seen show he's losing support across the board, even among blacks.
Gallup for the last few weeks show his support among blacks fluctuates between 91 and 96 percent. It's currently 94 percent. Surprise.
It's gone up a bit among folks who attend church at least weekly (currently 51%) and dropped a bit among folks who never go to church (currently 64, down significantly) That's probably because the president turned out to be much less socially liberal than many hoped he would be.
It's down among conservatives and republicans generally, though.
I suspect Koban has sort of closeted himself, and avoids any media that will show him something he doesn't want to see.
Slogan/motto:
Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
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July 24th, 2009, 10:14 AM
Barbarian notes:
Bush, if you remove 9/11
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Gee, wouldn't that be more than a little dishonest?
Nope. If you want to compare Bush's slide in the polls with those of successful presidents, you would not be honest if you included an event that equates to Pearl Harbor. Subtract the bump you got from that, and you have a free-fall in public regard that exceeds anything in modern times.
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9/11 defined Bush's Presidency
No, a huge deficit, the greatest recession since the great depression, and the needless death of thousands of American troops define his presidency. Why do you think he's regarded by Americans as one of the worst presidents we've had?
If you say so. Surveys I've seen show he's losing support across the board, even among blacks.
I was at the store a few weeks back, and parked next to a car with an anti-Obama sign on it like this:
One
Big-
A--
Mistake
America
When I came out, there was a black man engaged in conversation with the owner of the car, who was white.
Both men were gesticulating wildly and I thought uh-oh, and doggone, I'm parked right there...
But, as I came up to my car, I found out they were both in complete agreement, and having a very animated but friendly discussion.
I talked with them as put my items in my car, and the black man told me that he believed that Obama was a disgrace - and - that he was born in Kenya.
I asked him if he had been condemned for his views within his community, and he said no. I found that very interesting.
I was at the store a few weeks back, and parked next to a car with an anti-Obama sign on it like this:
One
Big-
A--
Mistake
America
When I came out, there was a black man engaged in conversation with the owner of the car, who was white.
Both men were gesticulating wildly and I thought uh-oh, and doggone, I'm parked right there...
But, as I came up to my car, I found out they were both in complete agreement, and having a very animated but friendly discussion.
I talked with them as put my items in my car, and the black man told me that he believed that Obama was a disgrace - and - that he was born in Kenya.
I asked him if he had been condemned for his views within his community, and he said no. I found that very interesting.
Oh
Brother
Another
Misinformed
Accusation! (no, whoever made it)
I once met a man who was arguing with an imaginary friend.
He might have believed he was from Kenya too, come to think on it.
Oh
Brother
Another
Misinformed
Accusation! (no, whoever made it)
I once met a man who was arguing with an imaginary friend.
He might have believed he was from Kenya too, come to think on it.
I suspect his community was divided though.
'Tis the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do live in a more conservative county, admittedly - but not overwhelmingly - the man with the sign on the car said he'd gotten two death threats so far.
'Tis the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do live in a more conservative county, admittedly - but not overwhelmingly - the man with the sign on the car said he'd gotten two death threats so far.
He must have been flabbergasted by the extreme response to so little provocation...
Ha. The usual bumper sticker is something like what we saw the other day:
"Democrats make great leaders.
You're following one."
Although we did see this:
"I'm not a tree-hugger!
I'm saving the extra gas money for ammo."
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I think most people think it's funny. A large dollop of evidence is usually followed by an angry ad hom from Koban.
Is it really angry? Or is that your perception? I'm truly curious, because I don't see that. Perceived injustice is adressed in the hate crime legislation, I believe.
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Anecdotes are often preferred to real life by some, over things that are called "facts."
Anecdotes and facts are not mutually exclusive, you know.
Balance is a good thing, Barbarian.
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Profanity has little to do with meaning.
Did you make up that little rule? Sometimes more is said in a pithy bumper sticker than in reams of lofty discourse.
And if you exchange that mild little base word with "asinine" you can solve your problem entirely.
Slogan/motto:
Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
Reputation:
July 24th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Barbarian on Koban's allergy to facts:
I think most people think it's funny. A large dollop of evidence is usually followed by an angry ad hom from Koban.
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Is it really angry?
Normally, when you show someone he's wrong, and he replies by calling names, yes, that's pretty good evidence that he's angry.
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Perceived injustice is adressed in the hate crime legislation, I believe.
No, there has to be evidence to support the charge beyond a reasonable doubt.
Barbarian observes:
Anecdotes are often preferred to real life by some, over things that are called "facts."
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Anecdotes and facts are not mutually exclusive, you know.
Hmm... Anecdotal evidence is an informal account of evidence in the form of an anecdote. The term is often used in contrast to scientific evidence, as evidence that cannot be investigated using the scientific method. The problem with arguing based on anecdotal evidence is that anecdotal evidence is not necessarily typical; only statistical evidence can determine how typical something is. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy.
wikipedia
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Balance is a good thing, Barbarian.
I think facts are the only way to go. Anyone can tell a story. But not everyone can find facts to support his case.
As the man says, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.
Barbarian observes
Profanity has little to do with meaning.
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Did you make up that little rule?
No, it's a finding of information theory. When semi-random letter strings are formed, you get a surprising number of inappropriate words. Profanity, it turns out, has a low information content.
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Sometimes more is said in a pithy bumper sticker than in reams of lofty discourse.
Here's one:
"For every complex problem, there is an answer which is simple, clear, ... and wrong."
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And if you exchange that mild little base word with "asinine" you can solve your problem entirely.
It would change the meaning entirely, of course.
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Nice job on yours.
I'm good at those. But Obama has letters that are very common as first letters of words.
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I'll take the challenge:
Obama
Begins
Advancing
Marxist
America
Not bad.
I once got banned from here for a parody on gun control, based on "If I only had a heart" from The Wizard of Oz.
It was technical, but it had to do with some blanks, and the insistence of a moderator that there were lots of six-letter profanities. (turns out he was right)
(no, whoever made it)
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