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July 29th, 2009, 12:18 AM
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July 29th, 2009, 04:45 AM
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Ok. It really doesn't matter to me.
It doesn't matter to you that men will murder, rape and steal and face no day of account?




Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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July 29th, 2009, 12:06 PM
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It doesn't matter to you that men will murder, rape and steal and face no day of account?
Just because someone may WANT punishment for those individuals doesn't mean, that it'll happen.

And I'm sorry, but there's no crime worthy of eternal suffering as far as I'm concerned. Hell, eternal anything would become torture after a while. The very concept of Heaven is flawed.
   
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July 29th, 2009, 12:32 PM
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Just because someone may WANT punishment for those individuals doesn't mean, that it'll happen.
Do you really believe that murderers can act as they please and may well die and never face any day of account?

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And I'm sorry, but there's no crime worthy of eternal suffering as far as I'm concerned. Hell, eternal anything would become torture after a while. The very concept of Heaven is flawed.
Just because you may WANT no punishment or heaven for anyone doesn't mean that they aren't real.




Where is the evidence for a global flood?
That doesn't make sense to me.
But, then again, you are very small.

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July 29th, 2009, 12:55 PM
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Where is the evidence for a global flood?
That doesn't make sense to me.
But, then again, you are very small.

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July 29th, 2009, 01:15 PM
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Just because someone may WANT punishment for those individuals doesn't mean, that it'll happen.
Conversely, your desire isn't controlled by the probable outcome, as you see it. But I suppose in that light your answer would change and that the two of you were simply talking from different foundational understandings.
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And I'm sorry, but there's no crime worthy of eternal suffering as far as I'm concerned.
You're assuming that's what's happening to begin with. I don't see it that way. You choose separation from the good and what it entails and you make of yourself and situation something other and removed.
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Hell, eternal anything would become torture after a while. The very concept of Heaven is flawed.
We talk about eternity, but we don't live there. We talk about past and future, but we only exist in this moment and this moment is either challenging and enjoyable or it isn't. I think the problem is with your concept of heaven.



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Do you believe men will have to give an account of what they do?
Unless you refer to a human-created court system (whose criteria are arbitrary and exhault the social order above the individual - thus the reason I often reject them), no.

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Did I not just explain what you believe well enough?
Short answer: no.




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Enter "No True Scottsman."
Aye, that's just the one "t" in "Scotsman", pal.

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Unless you refer to a human-created court system (whose criteria are arbitrary and exhault the social order above the individual - thus the reason I often reject them), no.
If I were referring to that I wouldn't believe what I was saying.

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So what did I get wrong?




Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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If I were referring to that I wouldn't believe what I was saying.
Thus my point - barring artifical systems of "justice" created by humans to serve human purposes, there is nothing else that will hold anyone "morally" accountable for their actions. We live in a universe governed by nothing but blind cause and effect which is complertely indifferent to any sense of "morality" this clever ape called humanity creates for itself.




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Thus my point - barring artifical systems of "justice" created by humans to serve human purposes, there is nothing else that will hold anyone "morally" accountable for their actions.
Yes, there is.

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Morality is not created by people.




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Morality is not created by people.
Yeah it is. Same goes for sin, values, virtues...

It's about as man made as things get.
   
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Yeah it is. Same goes for sin, values, virtues...

It's about as man made as things get.
You think? I think a Big Mac is about as man made as it gets. Or a Camry. I think morality is an abstract concept created by a comparison between our behaviour and a higher standard.

So you think men created the standard by which they all try to live up to?




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Of course they did.
How?




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