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Would You Sell Your Pirated Songs? - September 6th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Would You Sell Your Pirated Songs?

This is the show from Wednesday September 2nd, 2009.

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* You: Would You Sell the Songs You Pirated? Sadly, many Christians refuse to admit that they are wrong to download pirated software, music, and movies. They are stealing intellectual property. And except for the hardest of hearts, there is a way to convince Christians who steal copyrighted material that doing so dishonors God.
Consider first though that it is ironic and poetic (not godly mind you, but poetic) justice, that Hollywood and the music industry are losing billions of dollars in pirated goods. The Bible says do not steal; render to all what is due to them; do not covet; if sinners entice you, do not consent; and a workman is worth his hire. Hollywood on the other hand says if it feels good do it; you decide what is right and wrong; question authority; and there are no absolutes. Ha! This couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people!
When you steal songs, movies, and software, you are not violating the law of Hollywood; you're violating the law of God. The primary reason why it is wrong to steal is because you thereby dishonor God. And a little leaven leavens the whole lump, so given enough time, if you steal from Warner Bros., you would steal from anyone, including from God. A Christian ignores a lesson from the book of Job when he says, "It's not wrong to take copyrighted software, movies, and songs without paying for them." That ancient drama warns of those who seek to justify themselves by discrediting God. For it is God who said, Thou shalt not steal. He didn't say, "Don't steal unless
- you're sure you won't get caught, or
- it's from wealthy corporations, or
- it's really easy to do; or
- the owner won't notice; or
- everybody's doing it (they're not); or
- it's something you don't want enough to pay for.
Here's a way to convince all but the hardest of hearts that they are disobeying God when they take intellectual property. Consider, if you buy a music album, and then decide to sell it, as long as you don't keep a copy for yourself, you can sell that album with a clean conscience, because you paid for it and that copy belongs to you. On the other hand, if you download a pirated copy of the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, do you dare burn copies and sell them? This question should clarify the right and wrong of intellectual property for believers who are guilty of piracy, and have been trying to justifying their theft. Of course such a person must be open to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Some especially hard-hearted believers though, even though properly admonished, instead of repenting, will dig in, lie, and swear to it. But other Christians who have done wrong will want to be corrected and will humbly confess their sin, ask God to help them to repent, and will thank Him for having already forgiven them.
So the question for those who download pirated music, software, and movies, is this: do you think you have the right to sell these products? Of course you do not. You have right to sell your pirated goods because you are in possession of stolen property. According to the Scriptures, and as confirmed by the conscience God put within us, selling stolen property is an additional crime that our conscience bears witness against. So this question should convince all but the most rebellious who try to lie to themselves. Please don't attempt to justify your theft, for in so doing, you are stealing God, and from His right to require holiness and justice, so it is His law you are dismissing, and you are encouraging others to become thieves. Instead, strengthen the conscience that God gave you and be a good testimony to the Lord!

* BEL Staffer to Advise Copyright Cops: French Pirate Outwits Hollywood Agents -- Film distributors insert nearly undetectable unique visual and audio tags into each copy of a major motion picture distributed to theaters. Unauthorized copies of movies uploaded to the Internet contain these tags and as a result, reveal which theater's copy of the film has been illegally reproduced. For the last three years, Hollywood's copyright enforcement agents in France have been unable to catch the thief who is recording films like Superman III, Valkyrie, Pirates III and Slumdog Millionaire even though they've placed undercover operatives in and around theaters and using high-tech infrared spy gear. Now, BEL general manager Will Duffy, also founder of the CollaboratorsProject.com, has cracked the case by determining how the crooks are pulling off the ongoing caper. "Someone is switching the film with a copy at a nearby movie house, so even though detectives are crawling through the suspect theater during each movie's opening weekend, the pirate is kilometers away carelessly recording the movie at a neighboring theater."

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September 7th, 2009, 08:16 AM

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- it's something you don't want enough to pay for.
If you're not willing to pay money for something, why should it be worth the risk of prosecution? "I don't want to pay$16.99 for that CD so instead, I'll risk having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars instead." Makes no sense.





   
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September 7th, 2009, 10:40 PM

I admire your post and your honesty.Unfortunately I have downloaded a fair bit of music and have still yet to replace it all with purchased copies.I dont re-distribute it but it is still wrong.I brought this up in church one time and it is amazing at the excuses people have.One elder had much and said that Canadian law allowed it to be downloaded etc...I said that it is a matter of what God convicts you of as right and wrong.It is stealing-period.
Anyways I am still working on it-I guess I am not any better than him,but I do know it is wrong.I believe these little victories of eliminating stolen material to be vital to a good relationship with God.
And we wonder why God seems distant!





   
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September 7th, 2009, 11:17 PM

No such thing as intellectual property. If I see the neighbor put a roof over his house, I don't have to buy one from him, because he thought it up first.

I only buy from apple, it is too convient.







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September 8th, 2009, 08:02 AM

NickM is correct. There is no such thing as intellectual property. If there were, intellectual property would be scarce.

Any response to this post wherein the person responding does not understand the word "scarce" in this context will thankfully be ignored.







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September 8th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Two examples of what Bob was talking about...







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No such thing as intellectual property. If I see the neighbor put a roof over his house, I don't have to buy one from him, because he thought it up first.

I only buy from apple, it is too convient.
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NickM is correct. There is no such thing as intellectual property. If there were, intellectual property would be scarce.

Any response to this post wherein the person responding does not understand the word "scarce" in this context will thankfully be ignored.
Doesn't the USA have intellectual property laws?





   
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Doesn't the USA have intellectual property laws?
Sure, copyrights, trademarks, patents, these two don't seem to think they apply to them.







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Like many laws in the country, a number of them are bad but we live with them. We can't chose every single little hill to die on, and abortion is a much more important law to spend resources on fighting.







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Like many laws in the country, a number of them are bad but we live with them. We can't chose every single little hill to die on, and abortion is a much more important law to spend resources on fighting.
I agree that IP laws are probably a waste of time.





   
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September 9th, 2009, 01:13 AM

For people living in europe, I think spotify has been the answer to a poor music-lover's prayer. It seems to pay dues to the artists through adverts while letting you choose what to listen to from a massive library. Premium subscriptions are available for those that really don't want to listen to the occasional advert.

You're right, Jefferson, about it still being a theft, regardless how easy or seemingly harmless. Maybe there's a similar program in the states?







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I agree that IP laws are probably a waste of time.
Really? Do you think anyone would bother to spend millions developing products that there's a demand for if your competition is going to produce that product without having to invest the money?







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Doesn't the USA have intellectual property laws?
Yep.

Do you think it is ok for you to buy a car, and drive your friend around in it? Or should it be a law that they have to buy their own car from that manufacturer.

An idea is an abstract. There is no difference.

What I think is wrong, is to make a watch look just like a certain model Rolex, and put Rolex on the label. That is wrong. It isn't Rolex.

It is not wrong, to look at his watch and make it identical, and not put a label on it that says Rolex.

Music on the CD, or digital track is really just ones and zeroes. I can look at it, write them down in the same order, so the music player produces a sound that is appealing to me. Just like seeing the neighbor put a roof on his house, and not getting rained on.







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Really? Do you think anyone would bother to spend millions developing products that there's a demand for if your competition is going to produce that product without having to invest the money?
What does that matter?

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Yep. Do you think it is ok for you to buy a car, and drive your friend around in it? Or should it be a law that they have to buy their own car from that manufacturer. An idea is an abstract. There is no difference. What I think is wrong, is to make a watch look just like a certain model Rolex, and put Rolex on the label. That is wrong. It isn't Rolex. It is not wrong, to look at his watch and make it identical, and not put a label on it that says Rolex. Music on the CD, or digital track is really just ones and zeroes. I can look at it, write them down in the same order, so the music player produces a sound that is appealing to me. Just like seeing the neighbor put a roof on his house, and not getting rained on.
I agree.

But the US government doesn't.





   
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Really? Do you think anyone would bother to spend millions developing products that there's a demand for if your competition is going to produce that product without having to invest the money?
There is no such thing as reproducing something without having to invest money (and/or time, which is the same thing).

But, yes, since people want things like music and software, there will be someone that pays for it.

Software is easy. Businesses don't lose money when they buy software, they make money because they buy software. Thus, software will be invested in because businesses cannot live without it. And lo... consumers are in an identical position! This applies to many informational books as well.

Music is harder because we can live without it. Thus, music will be an industry that would be reduced to its real value. This applies to any art.







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