So is taking the fight to someone's home and involving all of their neighbours and family.
No .. that's just discomforting and confrontational. You really need to adjust your antenna. Scare some birds off it or something.
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The comparison is with their methodology, not their ideology. Don't try and cloud the issue with irrelevencies.
The difference between what PETA fights for and what the pro life movement fights for is not ever irrelevant. The pro life movement will never be comparable to PETA because everything PETA does is lame exactly because of what they fight for. The same action, with different ideologies, justifies one, but condemns the other.
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The evidence is the fact that these home visits accomplish nothing but but make each sie less and less willing to listen to the other.
I see. And what is better, in your opinion, is leaving the abortionist free to ignore every civil attempt at rational discourse?
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Why would you continue to support something that has zero impact on the number of abortions but ensures that abortionists feel morally secure in their position by making them feel like matryrs?
No .. that's just discomforting and confrontational. You really need to adjust your antenna. Scare some birds off it or something.
It is useless posturing and chest-pounding. You need to step back and think about the big picture. Which should be, presumably, real change in the way Americans think about the unborn.
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The difference between what PETA fights for and what the pro life movement fights for is not ever irrelevant.
It is entirely irrelevent in a discussion on tactics.
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The pro life movement will never be comparable to PETA because everything PETA does is lame exactly because of what they fight for. The same action, with different ideologies, justifies one, but condemns the other.
Hogwash. They would make the exact same claim.
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I see. And what is better, in your opinion, is leaving the abortionist free to ignore every civil attempt at rational discourse?
No, what is better to change public opinion so that his services are no longer in demand. Even if, by some miracle, you were able to dissuade a single abortionist that what he was doing was wrong you just be setting it up for someone else to step into his shoes. It may be someone with a coat-hanger and bleach, but as long as the demand is there attacking the "supplier" isn't going to change a single thing.
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It ensures no such thing.
It ensures exactly that.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
It is useless posturing and chest-pounding. You need to step back and think about the big picture. Which should be, presumably, real change in the way Americans think about the unborn.
I'm not interested in worrying about what people think.
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No, what is better to change public opinion so that his services are no longer in demand. Even if, by some miracle, you were able to dissuade a single abortionist that what he was doing was wrong you just be setting it up for someone else to step into his shoes. It may be someone with a coat-hanger and bleach, but as long as the demand is there attacking the "supplier" isn't going to change a single thing.
I'm not interested in worrying about what people think.
You should be, since that is the heart of this issue.
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You still do not realise....
...this is not about "attacking the supplier".
Whether or not that is how you see it, that it is exactly how it appears to the nation at large.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
No, it's not. The heart of the issue is that people are killing babies and society generally tolerates it.
Which is a function of how they think.
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We can do nothing to control what people think. We can act to oppose what people do.
If you don't change how they think your opposition is meaningless.
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So?
So unless you change that you are accomplishing nothing.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
Why does Stipe care so much about what goes on stateside? From what I understand Taiwan's abortion laws are pretty strict.
He's just being Stripe...
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
Why does Stipe care so much about what goes on stateside? From what I understand Taiwan's abortion laws are pretty strict.
I asked him that question earlier in this thread and the article he posted in reply seemed to say it was wide open and frequent with little protest. The article attributed the lack of debate to the belief in reincarnation making it a no harm no foul.
I asked him that question earlier in this thread and the article he posted in reply seemed to say it was wide open and frequent with little protest. The article attributed the lack of debate to the belief in reincarnation making it a no harm no foul.
Ah, I see. From what I've read I was led to believe penalties for abortions there were fairly strict, perhaps they've changed things.
The reincarnation bit does put an odd spin on the matter.
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.
Why does Stipe care so much about what goes on stateside? From what I understand Taiwan's abortion laws are pretty strict.
The laws in New Zealand are "strict" too. That only makes the issue harder to combat.
Strict laws only make the problem less visible. It is much easier to fight against the extremes that occur in the States. In New Zealand a baby is defined as a person at 24 weeks. And privacy or local by-laws in both countries would not tolerate home or facility protests. Both sets of laws make comfortable what should not be a comfortable subject.
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