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September 9th, 2009, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chatmaggot
That is an out right lie and you should know better.
How many of these threads have you read and posted on? How many Bob Enyart shows have you listened to on this topic?
The REASON why the anti-murder crowds picket is to stigmatize the behavior SO THAT people will come to the knowledge of the evil and CHANGE their hearts!
How many times has it been mentioned that one of the goals is to discourage future doctors from going into the filed of killing babies.
If changing peoples hearts isn't the type of change you like...then you can keep your change.
Hearts and minds cannot be changed by picketing and stigmatizing, especially those of an already traumatized pregnant teenager or woman.
It is possible to be kind and show support towards women in crisis pregnancies and STILL advocate against abortion. Why would you expect any woman in a crisis pregnancy to listen to someone who is berating her and trying to make her feel guilty about her pregnancy?
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad." ~ Author Unknown
Yes. And I'm sure the hearers had NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE. In this day and age of media and information, going to someone's house especially this guy, and telling him abortion is evil is just harassment.
So....if someone has heard something before they don't need to hear it again?
How many times did John the Baptist have to tell people to repent? How many times did Ezekiel have to preach "doom and gloom" before people would listen.
I don't know why people think it was justifiable in the Bible, but "that's not how we are supposed to do it today".
Hearts and minds cannot be changed by picketing and stigmatizing, especially those of an already traumatized pregnant teenager or woman.
It is possible to be kind and show support towards women in crisis pregnancies and STILL advocate against abortion. Why would you expect any woman in a crisis pregnancy to listen to someone who is berating her and trying to make her feel guilty about her pregnancy?
I would bet that all Jo Scott (and all those that help in the efforts in Denver) would disagree with what you just posted.
The whole thing was kinda creepy, what's with the giant cross? It had a wheel on it? I don't remember a wheel from the story.
The abortionist obviously dosen't grok your Bible so why bother yelling parts of it at his house?
If the Bible is your messege then you might as well take the whole dog and pony show down to Red Lobster and protest that abomination and stop by the gay guys house on the way.
You looked less like an anti abortion protest and more like a convert-everyone-to-Chritianity-and-the-problems-will-go-away mob.
Guess what? It's not the Atheists or the Wiccans having a gazillion abortions a year it's the Christians.
You need to come up with some better secular reasons not to kill your children (which is easy) and stop looking like a bunch of giant cross wheeling Bible screaming kooks.
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September 9th, 2009, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chatmaggot
So....if someone has heard something before they don't need to hear it again?
How many times did John the Baptist have to tell people to repent? How many times did Ezekiel have to preach "doom and gloom" before people would listen.
I don't know why people think it was justifiable in the Bible, but "that's not how we are supposed to do it today".
Did any of these people go to the house of a clearly unrepentant person and picket their house? Preaching publicly is one thing, going to someone's house and yelling at them on a holiday is something different. I'm not saying evil should never be confronted head on or called out, but this isn't the place or way to do it.
And really, which do you think would be more the Lord's work on a labor day, going to an abortionists house and yelling at them for hours or volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center, or a homeless shelter?
I could probably think of a hundred things that would be more helpful to fellow human beings of all sizes and ages than what the video portrays.
Did any of these people go to the house of a clearly unrepentant person and picket their house? Preaching publicly is one thing, going to someone's house and yelling at them on a holiday is something different. I'm not saying evil should never be confronted head on or called out, but this isn't the place or way to do it.
And really, which do you think would be more the Lord's work on a labor day, going to an abortionists house and yelling at them for hours or volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center, or a homeless shelter?
I could probably think of a hundred things that would be more helpful to fellow human beings of all sizes and ages than what the video portrays.
Why would you want to go and yell at a bunch of homeless people?
Feel free to take a poll on this sight and ask how many prochoicers changed their mind and became prolifers due to yelling and stigmatizing.
Are you serious?
You make a blanket statement about how picketing never changed anyones hearts and I pointed out that those who are on the front lines of the battle (Jo Scott) would disagree because of their experiences that contradict what you say. You then ask me to take a poll on TOL? Why limit it to TOL? Why not poll the entire world? Because you know in doing so, you will be shown to be in error.
My question is then what's stopping the rest of you? I mean, I'd give up my life to save another person. Just not a fetus.
It isn't generally a matter that would lead to the loss of our own lives. Even if we entered the abortion mill and stood in the way. Of course, getting that far isn't easy. We would lose our freedom before we got that far.
But we wouldn't be saving any lives through that.
So, the bottom line is, you can't give up your life or freedom to save a life if no life is saved.
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