Chatmaggot: there is no indication as of yet that this man was killed because of his activism. If he was (and that's likely; the shooter may have simply not cared for him) this doesn't constitute "persecution," it constitutes rotten luck.
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September 12th, 2009, 07:53 AM
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As to the reason for the killing of pro-life activist Jim Pouillon, Harlan Drake has told police that he was “offended” by Pouillon’s anti-abortion messages.
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September 12th, 2009, 09:44 AM
well, that was a lovely 24-hour grace period ¬_¬;
Ok, so yeah. Finally happened. A pro choicer has killed a pro-lifer for their difference of opinion. Horrible thing, doesn't represent the pro-choice movement, yadda yadda yadda.
I don't condone this murder in any way . It was wrong,period, just like the cowardly ,self-righteous hypocrite who murdered Dr. Tiller .
But let's face it; the anti-choicers finally being forced to get a taste of their own medicine, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
The shoe is on the other foot now. Violence never solves problems.
And anti-choicers, please don't call abortion violence,either,or murder. A woman has the right to control her own body, and no one has the right to interfere with this.
You're all a bunch of hypocrites. You scream about the"right to life", the"sanctity" of life, but none of you gives a #@*&^%
about what happens to fetuses after they're born.
What about the right to decent food, shelter,clothing, education and medical care ? Unless a lot more is done to see to it that the unborn will get these things, we will never reduce the number of abortions,let alone stop them altogether.
When you whining anti-choicers say that we must"end" abortion,
youre just deluding yourselves. This will never happen.
I don't condone this murder in any way . It was wrong,period, just like the cowardly ,self-righteous hypocrite who murdered Dr. Tiller .
So far/so good.
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But let's face it; the anti-choicers finally being forced to get a taste of their own medicine, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
So it's horrible, but he had it coming for the movement, eh?
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The shoe is on the other foot now.
I don't think you're being fair to the pro-choice crowd. How many abortions happened on the day in question?
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Violence never solves problems.
Tell that to the pro-choice crowd. They'd beg to differ.
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And anti-choicers, please don't call abortion violence,either,or murder.
I tried calling it a "friendly parting", but it just didn't seem as accurate. And that would be pro-life, at least in my case.
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A woman has the right to control her own body, and no one has the right to interfere with this.
Tell that to the police while she rolls bones, gets ready to drive without a seat belt, decides its a good day to die, and so on...
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You're all a bunch of hypocrites. You scream about the"right to life", the"sanctity" of life, but none of you gives a #@*&^% about what happens to fetuses after they're born.
And you're an intellectually lazy generalizer...just kidding...about the "and". I'm not a hypocrite. You actually are an intellectually lazy generalizer though. I mean here and now, at any rate. Maybe I just caught you on a bad day. Oh, and the faux profanity is still against the rules around here, so you might want to consider an edit there before a mod or someone else takes offense. It's a silly way to get an infraction.
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What about the right to decent food, shelter,clothing, education and medical care ?
I support health care as a human right. We have programs relating to food, shelter and necessities in place for those caught in difficulty and I support them.
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Unless a lot more is done to see to it that the unborn will get these things, we will never reduce the number of abortions,let alone stop them altogether.
Utterly unrelated. I'm not aware of any study that demonstrates abortions are lower, as a percentage, among those on the government's dime, in public housing and utilizing food stamps, etc.
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When you whining anti-choicers say that we must"end" abortion, youre just deluding yourselves. This will never happen.
That's what they said about slavery once...and disco. So...one out of two then.
I don't condone this murder in any way . It was wrong,period, just like the cowardly ,self-righteous hypocrite who murdered Dr. Tiller .
But let's face it; the anti-choicers finally being forced to get a taste of their own medicine, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
The shoe is on the other foot now. Violence never solves problems.
And anti-choicers, please don't call abortion violence,either,or murder. A woman has the right to control her own body, and no one has the right to interfere with this.
You're all a bunch of hypocrites. You scream about the"right to life", the"sanctity" of life, but none of you gives a #@*&^%
about what happens to fetuses after they're born.
What about the right to decent food, shelter,clothing, education and medical care ? Unless a lot more is done to see to it that the unborn will get these things, we will never reduce the number of abortions,let alone stop them altogether.
When you whining anti-choicers say that we must"end" abortion,
youre just deluding yourselves. This will never happen.
No one has the right to kill an innocent person, no matter where that person is.
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September 12th, 2009, 10:35 AM
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I don't condone this murder in any way . It was wrong,period, just like the cowardly ,self-righteous hypocrite who murdered Dr. Tiller . But let's face it; the anti-choicers finally being forced to get a taste of their own medicine, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
By your own words, you obviously DO condone it.
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The shoe is on the other foot now. Violence never solves problems. And anti-choicers, please don't call abortion violence,either,or murder.
How is it NOT violent to cut up the body of an unborn human being? The only thing that you are correct about is that abortion isn't LEGALLY murder ... just like slavery was legal and acceptable to some, so is abortion. Legality does not equate to something being acceptable or right.
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A woman has the right to control her own body, and no one has the right to interfere with this.
But she isn't just *controlling her own body* ... for the sake of convenience and selfishness, women have decided it is perfectly fine to control the body of ANOTHER unique and helpless human being. Worse than that, the human being is her own unborn child.
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You're all a bunch of hypocrites. You scream about the"right to life", the"sanctity" of life, but none of you gives a #@*&^%
about what happens to fetuses after they're born.
What about the right to decent food, shelter,clothing, education and medical care ? Unless a lot more is done to see to it that the unborn will get these things, we will never reduce the number of abortions,let alone stop them altogether.
I agree that part of protecting the unborn extends to the during and AFTER pregnancy. I will even state that the same care and consideration should be given to the mother. However, I am willing to bet that even in a perfect world where child birth held no risks and there was financial support available to each and every mother, you would STILL be going on about abortion (aka mother's killing their own unborn children for the sake of convenience) being available on demand.
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When you whining anti-choicers say that we must"end" abortion, youre just deluding yourselves. This will never happen.
Not as long as the anti-lifers/anti-children crowd such as yourself feel the need to encourage women that copping out is better than taking responsibility for the life that they WILLINGLY created.
The is absolutely nothing courageous or admirable about women who whine whine whine about their rights as women on one hand and then on the next hand seek *special* rights for themselves.
And yes, it is a *special* right that women are asking for. Since when are men allowed the right to legally snuff out their children because they don't like the place the child is residing?
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September 12th, 2009, 10:42 AM
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If they honestly want to end abortions, here's what they should do
1. Find a way to painlessly, efficiently and cost-effectively transfer a fetus out of a woman at an early age to develop in an artificial environment
2. Improve this nation's adoption system
3. Allow complete legal disassociation from the would-be mother.
If they can effectively do all 3 of these things, I'll become pro-life
Would you really, GG? This is a serious question. I have been debating abortion for the last five years and MOST pro-abortion advocates will state flat out that even if that were the case, they would still be against banning abortion.
The reason for this is that they flat out feel a child would complicate their life. When the option of adoption is brought up, they claim that they could never give up a child they gave birth to because it would be abandonment and that child *might get abused*.
For those types that use this excuse, I shake my head at the idea that some women would believe abandoning a child to adoption is worse than killing that child.
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