"[T]he left stands for the freedoms and rights of the individual.
Do you think mischaracterizing the left helps your cause in any way?
The left stands for European values--equality. The right stands for American values (on the dollar bill)--liberty, E pluribus unum (from many one), In God we trust.
Take Dennis Prager's Test: Are you a Liberal?:
"Do you believe the following?
1.Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
2.Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
3.Murderers should never be put to death.
4.During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
5.Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
6.It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
7.Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
8.It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
9.Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
10.A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
11.The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
12.The present high tax rates are good.
13.Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.
14.The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
15.The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
16.It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
17.No abortions can be labeled immoral.
18.Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
19.High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
20.Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
21.Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
22.It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
23.No culture is morally superior to any other.
Those are all liberal positions. How many of them do you hold?" (http://www.dennisprager.com).
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September 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM
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Murder does not represent the pro-death movement? Who is moving to kill babies?
No one, to my knowledge. Now, embryos and fetuses are the ones that I'm talking about.
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Why would people organize to ensure the ability to murder the innocent? It comes down to sexual sin.
Not everyone believes in sin. Myself included.
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In those who condone murder of the unborn, they fight to ensure their continued depravity without consequences--fornication. The liberal always come to kill, steal and destroy (Jn 10:10).
Didn't know the bible could be used to back or demean a political party, but ok. Anyways, fornication is fun. You might wanna give it a go some time. And fornication DOES come with the chance of consequences even with abortion. I mean, have you ever seen an abortion bill? It's pretty steep.
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Where there is murder, where there is theft, where there is destruction--look around for the liberal. Do not be deceived. Your sin will find you out (Nu 32:23). Your up and comings will come right on time (Ga 6:8).
Yeah, that's a long wait for a train that aint a-comin'. Have fun waiting though.
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How about--stop fornicating?
Yeah, good luck with that. Sex is just too fun to give up (you really should try it some time). Abstinence doesn't work. It's been attempted. For a long time. And we're facing the ramifications of it now. Safe sex is the best thing to teach.
Now, if you implement proper safe sex education as the standard, I guarantee abortion rates will drop.
The left stands for European values--equality. The right stands for American values (on the dollar bill)--liberty, E pluribus unum (from many one), In God we trust.
Take Dennis Prager's Test: Are you a Liberal?:
"Do you believe the following?
1.Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
No.
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2.Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
There are merits to both. Multilingualism is NOT a bad thing, but I also agree that we need a linguistic standard.
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3.Murderers should never be put to death.
No. I believe that people accussed of murder should not be put to death because of the unreliablity of our justice system. I would rather see 10 guilty men walk free than 1 innocent man put to death.
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4.During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
Not unless the USSR was on board as well.
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5.Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
Meh. I don't really care either way.
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6.It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
It was wrong to wage war against Saddam for the reasons stated for our going to war against him. He was human waste, but he wasn't a threat to us.
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7.Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
Why would I believe that?
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8.It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
Why is that good?
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9.Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
ANY two people? Hardly. Two adults willing to make a legal commitment to each other and the family they will form.
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10.A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
If the two men or two women are married it doesn't make a difference, does it?
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11.The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
How does that make any sense? They can hold their jamborees wherever they please so long as its porperly zoned, etc. Churches can use public parks. And why would they be banned from having meetings at churches?
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12.The present high tax rates are good.
They could use some tweaking.
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13.Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.
Speech codes are never good and what are "American values" and why would they be bad?
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14.The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
By what standard? They both have legitimate gripes.
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15.The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
Being a participant is not being subservient.
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16.It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
I don't really care about sports.
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17.No abortions can be labeled immoral.
Obviously false.
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18.Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
False.
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19.High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
I have no problem with that.
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20.Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
True. We have equality in this nation- it's not just for when its convenient.
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21.Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
I don't know what causes crime but I'm sure it's more complicated than any of those alone. If you think lack of fathers is the cause, for example, you just force the question of why the babydaddys aren't sticking around.
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22.It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
It is not "wrong", but it may be inappropiate given the secular nature of our public schools.
Not very many. Since those have more to do with ultra-conservative misperception than reality.
"Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us--if at all--not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men." ... T.S. Eliot γνῶθι σεαυτόν
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September 13th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Man, you're just chalk full of it today, aren't ya, Snakebird
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The left stands for European values--equality. The right stands for American values (on the dollar bill)--liberty, E pluribus unum (from many one), In God we trust.
Actually that whole "in God we trust" thing came much later. That actually goes completely AGAINST what the forefathers set out to do. The left does indeed stand for equality, but I'd like to think that the right does too. If they don't, then that leaves me feeling very concerned (even moreso than usual).
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Take Dennis Prager's Test: Are you a Liberal?:
"Do you believe the following?
1.Standards for admissions to universities, fire departments, etc. should be lowered for people of color.
This should be fun.
1. No.
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2.Bilingual education for children of immigrants, rather than immersion in English, is good for them and for America.
2. No
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3.Murderers should never be put to death.
3. Yes. I believe that the government shouldn't have the power to kill its own citizens. Lock'em up for life. It's cheaper and has less of a moral issue.
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4.During the Cold War, America should have adopted a nuclear arms freeze.
4. I honestly have no opinion on this
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5.Colleges should not allow ROTC programs.
5. No. I believe that the ROTC needs a bit of reform in terms of certain policies, but I don't believe that a flat-out ban would be beneficial to anyone.
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6.It was wrong to wage war against Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War.
6. Dunno. Now, the Iraq war is a horse of a different color...
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7.Poor parents should not be allowed to have vouchers to send their children to private schools.
7. Yes. I believe that if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be able to have the government give you a coupon. If your county's public school system sucks, try to become active in improving it. Otherwise, it just drives a bigger wedge between people in a community.
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8.It is good that trial lawyers and teachers unions are the two biggest contributors to the Democratic Party.
8. I don't see that as inherently good OR bad.
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9.Marriage should be redefined from male-female to any two people.
9. As soon as you can give me a non-biblical reason as to why it shouldn't be, I'd be happy to listen. (any 2 consenting adults, of course)
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10.A married couple should not have more of a right to adopt a child than two men or two women.
10. See Answer # 9
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11.The Boy Scouts should not be allowed to use parks or any other public places and should be prohibited from using churches and synagogues for their meetings.
11. Well, the Boy Scouts are given government benefits, yet at the same time, they often teach a pro-Christian message. That's a conflict of interests. So either become a private organization or stop with the Jesus talk.
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12.The present high tax rates are good.
12. For the country, yes. Could stand a bit of tweaking, of course.
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13.Speech codes on college campuses are good and American values are bad.
13. They're referring specifically to hate speech, which can have a loose definition, I'll admit. I suppose, if you're referring to gay-bashing, racial intolerance or religious persecution, then I suppose. I believe that Speech Codes are afforded, depending on the campus. And by persecution I mean actually PREVENTING are particular religion. Not an honest polite questioning. And you'd have to define "American values", but I'm fairly certain that that's another loose definition that conservatives like to throw around, insisting that the opposition lacks it.
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14.The Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent.
14. I am completely 100% indifferent to both parties. I really don't care. I don't want to be involved at all. My name is Paul and this crap's between y'all.
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15.The United Nations is a moral force for good in the world, and therefore America should be subservient to it and such international institutions as a world court.
16. A bit too idealistic but still something I feel we should participate in for the good of the world. Adherence is a better word to use than subservience though.
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16.It is good that colleges have dropped hundreds of men's sports teams in order to meet gender-based quotas.
16. If it's a budget issue and there's a genuine lack of balance between the 2, then yes.
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17.No abortions can be labeled immoral.
17. Case-by-case basis. Abortions aren't inherently moral OR immoral.
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18.Restaurants should be prohibited by law from allowing customers to choose between a smoking and a non-smoking section.
I don't believe in that at all. If it's a private establishment and they want to offer both sections, I feel they should be free to. Of course, I also believe in legalizing marijuana, so you might still hate my deviance when it comes to allowing certain smoking practices. Just keep in mind that I don't smoke ANYTHING.
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19.High schools should make condoms available to students and teach them how to use them.
19. Better than going bareback. Sun shines, birds fly, grass grows and teenagers have sex. Simple as that.
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20.Racial profiling for terrorists is wrong -- a white American grandmother should as likely be searched as a Saudi young male.
20. It shouldn't be determined by race. You've got to have something more to go by. Last time we did this on a large scale was when we were rounding up Japanese Americans during WWII.
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21.Racism and poverty -- not a lack of fathers and a crisis of values -- are the primary causes of violent crime in the inner city.
21. What if I think it's a combination of all 4? And throw in poor education as well. In fact, one could argue that the poverty LEADS to the crisis of values.
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22.It is wrong and unconstitutional for students to be told, "God bless you" at their graduation.
22. If it's a public school, then yes. It's government endorsing religious doctrine by acknowledging a deity. It's petty, but it's still wrong.
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23.No culture is morally superior to any other.
Those are all liberal positions. How many of them do you hold?" (http://www.dennisprager.com).
23. I don't believe that at all. I do believe that morals are subjective though and as such, you're never gonna get a clear picture of rank that's agreed upon by everyone.
The left does indeed stand for equality, but I'd like to think that the right does too. If they don't, then that leaves me feeling very concerned (even moreso than usual).
The reason liberals are concerned about the right not taking care of them is because they intuitively know that they are dysfunctional and utterly incompetent (Eccl 10:2). They fear being left alone without the government to coddle them (e.g. a nanny state). In a sense, their greatest fear is true--they are alone because they do not have the indwelling presence of the Lord in their lives (Heb 13:5). That is why when one becomes a Christian, he naturally lines up with the right. Truth incarnate now indwells him. The spirit leads him into all truth (Jn 16:13).
Winston Churchill said: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." Liberals never grow up. But worse--they are spiritually dead. They may look alive, but their souls are not alive as God intended for man. They are headed toward a second death (Re 20:14). They have never been born of the spirit of God (Jn 3:7).
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[Israelis and Palestinians are morally equivalent[ "I am completely 100% indifferent to both parties."
Another trait of your father (Jn 8:44). Satan hates the nation Israel. You are indifferent (which is the same thing as hatred)--it's apathy. Israel is a micro chasm of the world.
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"How'd I do?"
You have a heart problem. But the good news is--Jesus loves you. He will save you if you humble yourself before him. He will turn your Green Goblinness into something new (2 Cor 5:17).
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September 13th, 2009, 06:45 PM
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The reason liberals are concerned about the right not taking care of them is because they intuitively know that they are dysfunctional and utterly incompetent (Eccl 10:2). They fear being left alone without the government to coddle them (e.g. a nanny state). In a sense, their greatest fear is true--they are alone because they do not have the indwelling presence of the Lord in their lives (Heb 13:5). That is why when one becomes a Christian, he naturally lines up with the right. Truth incarnate now indwells him. The spirit leads him into all truth (Jn 16:13).
Wow. There's just so much wrong with that, it's hard to comprehend that it all came from one person. There are NUMEROUR left-wing stances that are not only mutually beneficial, but also charitable and very Christian-like. Stances that a true charitable Christian should have no problem getting behind.
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Winston Churchill said: "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."
I know numerous young conservatives and old liberals that take offense to that kind of humbug. >:P
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Liberals never grow up. But worse--they are spiritually dead. They may look alive, but their souls are not alive as God intended for man. They are headed toward a second death (Re 20:14). They have never been born of the spirit of God (Jn 3:7).
Liberals have no problem in taking an abstract view at life to see if a different viewpoint changes their position on matters. Conservatives all seem to be stuck in their ways, refusing to evolve with the times and afraid of any real change. Not unlike a child.
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Another trait of your father (Jn 8:44). Satan hates the nation Israel. You are indifferent (which is the same thing as hatred)--it's apathy. Israel is a micro chasm of the world.
So I take it that you hate Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Pastafarianism, and (I can only guess) Twitter??? If you believe that apathy is the same thing as hatred (fyi; it isn't), then that's what you're saying. I'm not foolish enough to accept such a stupid view on indifference. I don't care one way or another about EITHER side.
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You have a heart problem. But the good news is--Jesus loves you. He will save you if you humble yourself before him. He will turn your Green Goblinness into something new (2 Cor 5:17).
I just went to the doctor a few weeks ago. My heart's perfectly healthy, thank you. I've never met Jesus. I mean, I've read all his stories and tried to talk to him telepathically, like he was Professor X, but I never got a response. I think he likes to ignore me or something...
And I like my Green Goblinness. I don't need anyone to change me, thanks.
Because the left stands for the freedoms and rights of the individual.
Really? What about my freedom and right to do what I want with my money? To give it to those in need by my own choosing? What about an unborn child's right to life? What about a poor man's right to triumph over adversity? What about a minority's right to be accepted based on character rather than the color of their skin?
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Do you think mischaracterizing the left helps your cause in any way?
That's a very good question to be asking yourself, PB.
"I know numerous young conservatives and old liberals that take offense to that kind of humbug."
Liberals no doubt believe they are "good". The problem is-- they get their values from their heart (Jer 17:9). That is why they are so misguided. The Jew and the Christian get their values from scripture.
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"Conservatives all seem to be stuck in their ways..."
It is the "progressive" who is regressive. Aren't they the ones always pushing socialism or communism? The world has already witnessed the fruits of that in millions murdered (Jn 10:10).
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"...refusing to evolve with the times and afraid of any real change."
New morality is just old sin. Obama is just another Nimrod, the first democrat (Enyart).
The liberal is a child in rebellion toward God. He is his own authority. This is just like a wayward child. The Jew and Christian are submitted to God's authority.
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"So I take it that you hate Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Pastafarianism, and (I can only guess)..."
No, I do not hate those ensnared in cults and 'isms. I think they are deceived and misguided, but there is hope for them.
The Christian has greater understanding--he has already been a pagan or a heathen. Only the Christian can see from both sides--darkness and light.
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"I've read all his stories and tried to talk to him telepathically, like he was Professor X, but I never got a response...I think he likes to ignore me or something."
You have never humbled yourself before the Lord. You've ignored him--or something.
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"And I like my Green Goblinness. I don't need anyone to change me, thanks."
You need someone to change your dirty diapers. You are an old natured man. You need to become a new natured man robed in Christ's righteousness (Eph 4:24). God loves you in all your Green Gobliness. He's seen worse. God's love is like sunshine. You can't stop God from loving you but you sure can put up an umbrella (J. Vernon McGee).
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It is the "progressive" who is regressive. Aren't they the ones always pushing socialism or communism? The world has already witnessed the fruits of that in millions murdered (Jn 10:10).
Don't forget that in medical terms it is the degenerative diseases that are progressive.
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September 13th, 2009, 08:00 PM
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Liberals no doubt believe they are "good". The problem is-- they get their values from their heart (Jer 17:9). That is why they are so misguided. The Jew and the Christian get their values from scripture.
No they don't. They pick and choose what parts of scripture to follow in the modern age and what parts to write off. Why else do they not oppose divorce on the same level as they oppose gay marriage? That shows a level of morality and desire inside themselves that they follow over the Bible.
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It is the "progressive" who is regressive. Aren't they the ones always pushing socialism or communism? The world has already witnessed the fruits of that in millions murdered (Jn 10:10).
umm...no. The socialism that you're referring to is the new Republican buzz word to scare old white people. EVERY modern democracy and republic has some socialist components. You think National Healthcare is bad because you're paying for a service that you may never have to use? What do you call the Police Department? The Fire Department? Public Transportation? Public Libraries? Public Schools? All paid for by our tax dollars and you may never have to use their services.
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New morality is just old sin. Obama is just another Nimrod, the first democrat (Enyart).
I don't believe in sin. And I don't believe in the Bible, so your constant verse sitings are pointless.
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The liberal is a child in rebellion toward God. He is his own authority. This is just like a wayward child. The Jew and Christian are submitted to God's authority.
I can't rebel against God anymore than I can rebel against Santa Claus or Spider-man. Because it's not possible to rebel against something you don't think exists.
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No, I do not hate those ensnared in cults and 'isms. I think they are deceived and misguided, but there is hope for them.
I didn't ask if you hate the people. I asked if you hate the concepts. The philosophies. Oh, and your view is an 'ism too. You just can't see it from the inside.
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The Christian has greater understanding--he has already been a pagan or a heathen. Only the Christian can see from both sides--darkness and light.
And Red Mages. They can use both Light and Dark as well
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You have never humbled yourself before the Lord. You've ignored him--or something.
yeah, no. You don't know enough about me to make that statement. I was a Christian, tried and true for 20 years of my life, thank you very much. I was humbled out the yinyang. I did EVERYTHING I was suppose to. And nothing. Anyone who truly claims to have genuinely heard the voice of God is either lying or schizophrenic.
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You need someone to change your dirty diapers. You are an old natured man. You need to become a new natured man robed in Christ's righteousness (Eph 4:24). God loves you in all your Green Gobliness. He's seen worse. God's love is like sunshine. You can't stop God from loving you but you sure can put up an umbrella (J. Vernon McGee).
If he loves me, then why not show himself so I can love him in return? And I don't mean in a good thing happening to me, that you would just chalk up to being "his presence". I mean a genuine manifestation of himself. Like a big hand showing up in the sky. Or an actual audible voice.
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September 13th, 2009, 08:01 PM
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Why don't I believe you?
Because you don't like me. I understand. It's ok to admit it. But what I'm saying is 100% true. I would see no justifiable reason in terminating an embryo after that.
Dennis Prager is a goofball and wrong in all cases. We should have not stayed in Iraq. All the rest is foolish, liberals have a different agenda, Prager is a neocon who follows the liberal agenda, but turns it around thus validating it.
I should perhaps qualify this by stating that Prager is not a true conservative in my opinion, I distrust him, I think his intentions are good, but he has a goofy distorted outlook. He should read Russel Kirk.
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