[SaulToPaul]

There WAS a group of Jews, proselytes, and God fearing Gentiles who are a covenant people with an earthly inheritance. They received REMISSION of sins, through water baptism, looking forward to the Day of Atonement when their sins would be blotted out...or salvation.

There IS a group of Jews, God fearing Gentiles, and Gentiles who were aliens from Israel who have a heavenly inheritance. They look back and see their atonement as a done deal, having already received the blotting out of all sins, being identified in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ...or salvation.

One group is looking forward to salvation and to Christ coming to earth to save them. One group is looking back to salvation and for Christ coming to catch them up to their heavenly inheritance.

The religious, traditionally minded man doesn't like this and will rebel at the very idea of this truth. But, since when has the truth been popular.

Accept these opposing truths and you can begin to understand the "New Testament" scriptures.

[Ktoyou]

I would be part of the second group, Being in awe of God but not fearing, or afraid of Him I love.

I cannot see how one can be attached to Israel, or being Jewish? An ethnic Jew, no problem, but one must be a Christian, having placed their faith in what Jesus did to atone for us.

The old law was impossible, this, for me, is the lesson; we needed God to atone for us, to make us able to receive salvation. All it takes on our part is authentic faith to receive Grace from God, then we live naturally according to God's plan.

I cannot understand those who think a truly saved person falls away from God? This is the folly of being outside salvation, nothing less.

[AvedYahweh]

So, you see separate groups of people. The question is, do you see a time when the Jews will be "phased" back in so-to-speak, somewhat of a traditional dispensational view? Just curious.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by AvedYahweh

So, you see separate groups of people. The question is, do you see a time when the Jews will be "phased" back in so-to-speak, somewhat of a traditional dispensational view? Just curious.

Yes, when the dispensation of the grace of God is complete, the feast of trumpets will be fulfilled as Israel is gathered. The day of atonement is fulfilled at the 2nd coming. Tabernacles is fulfilled in the kingdom.

[tetelestai]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

Accept these opposing truths and you can begin to understand the "New Testament" scriptures.

They are only "truths" if one wears MAD sunglasses.

Let's look at Matt 22:

1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

Verses 1-3 are from John the Baptist up to the cross. Only certain people were invited to the banquet hall by John the Baptist, Jesus, and Jesus’ Disciples. Those invited refused to come.

4"Then he sent some more servants and said, 'Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.'

5"But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

Verses 4-7 are from the cross to when the Temple was destroyed. After the cross, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His Apostles. They intern told only those who were invited about the wedding banquet. Those who were invited refused to come, and this time killed the servants (there is not one recording in the Bible of a Disciple of Jesus being killed while Jesus was alive).

God then destroyed the Temple, and many of those people that were invited were murdered as their city (Jerusalem) was burned by the Romans.

8 "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.' 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Now God is sending servants to invite anyone they can find to the wedding banquet. Both good and bad (Jew & Gentile) are invited.

Where your opening post falls apart is that in the wedding parable, there is only one wedding banquet. The same wedding banquet that only a certain people were invited to during the Incarnation and at Pentecost, is eventually filled with guests from all three time periods.

There is no other wedding banquet.

[Spitfire]

And remember, wedding garments were given out for free! But they still needed to be put on.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by tetelestai

They are only "truths" if one wears MAD sunglasses.

Let's look at Matt 22:

1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

Verses 1-3 are from John the Baptist up to the cross. Only certain people were invited to the banquet hall by John the Baptist, Jesus, and Jesus’ Disciples. Those invited refused to come.

4"Then he sent some more servants and said, 'Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.'

5"But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

Verses 4-7 are from the cross to when the Temple was destroyed. After the cross, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His Apostles. They intern told only those who were invited about the wedding banquet. Those who were invited refused to come, and this time killed the servants (there is not one recording in the Bible of a Disciple of Jesus being killed while Jesus was alive).

God then destroyed the Temple, and many of those people that were invited were murdered as their city (Jerusalem) was burned by the Romans.

8 "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.' 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Now God is sending servants to invite anyone they can find to the wedding banquet. Both good and bad (Jew & Gentile) are invited.

Where your opening post falls apart is that in the wedding parable, there is only one wedding banquet. The same wedding banquet that only a certain people were invited to during the Incarnation and at Pentecost, is eventually filled with guests from all three time periods.

There is no other wedding banquet.

Is that an open view parable ?

[Nick M]

Nice story of proselytizing gentiles unto circumcision. Paul repeated that when speaking of earthly inheritance and the olive tree.

You don't trade one for the other in grace. We are one in Christ.

Amazing how people can't see the giant purple elephant in the room.

[Nick M]

Originally Posted by AvedYahweh

So, you see separate groups of people. The question is, do you see a time when the Jews will be "phased" back in so-to-speak, somewhat of a traditional dispensational view? Just curious.

Forgive me. I am somewhat amazed when people ask questions that are directly asked previously in the Bible, and in the same context. I don't get it that you don't know.

Romans 11

11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!....25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:



The only thing not known is what is the fullness. It could be several things, and they are all guesses.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

There WAS a group of Jews, proselytes, and God fearing Gentiles who are a covenant people with an earthly inheritance. They received REMISSION of sins, through water baptism, looking forward to the Day of Atonement when their sins would be blotted out...or salvation.

There IS a group of Jews, God fearing Gentiles, and Gentiles who were aliens from Israel who have a heavenly inheritance. They look back and see their atonement as a done deal, having already received the blotting out of all sins, being identified in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ...or salvation.

One group is looking forward to salvation and to Christ coming to earth to save them. One group is looking back to salvation and for Christ coming to catch them up to their heavenly inheritance.

The religious, traditionally minded man doesn't like this and will rebel at the very idea of this truth. But, since when has the truth been popular.

Accept these opposing truths and you can begin to understand the "New Testament" scriptures.

One group had/will have to obey the law, can lose their salvation, must be committed to a gospel of works and faith, will go through tribulation and have to suffer extreme persecution, must repent of sin. After all this suffering, they get to come back and live on the earth forever.

The other group only have to mentally acknowledge the gospel, no commitment is required, no repentance, no persecution, and will not have to endure the tribulation. After no suffering at all, this group get's to live in heaven with God forever.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense will see through the gnostic rubbish of Mid Acts dispensationism. It's obviously a doctrine of devils that's designed to remove all commitment and obligation from the gospel.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Romans 2:9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;

Romans 2:10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Salvation is for those who believe, to the Jew first and to the gentile. Those who do genuinely believe, will bear fruit.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

Yes, when the dispensation of the grace of God is complete, the feast of trumpets will be fulfilled as Israel is gathered. The day of atonement is fulfilled at the 2nd coming. Tabernacles is fulfilled in the kingdom.

All the feasts are fulfilled in the person of Christ. The feasts were simply a shadow, but the substance is Christ.

Col 2:16-17
6 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

[godrulz]

[Ask Mr. Religion]

The Israel of God.

AMR

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by Nick M

Amazing how people can't see the giant purple elephant in the room.

Indeed. It's clear when the "wedding" is, and it is still future.
However, you and I are already "married" or "joined" to Christ.

Things that are different are never the same.

[SaulToPaul]

Originally Posted by andyc

All the feasts are fulfilled in the person of Christ. The feasts were simply a shadow, but the substance is Christ.

1. Passover - fulfilled LITERALLY at the Cross
2. Unleavened Bread - fulfilled LITERALLY with Christ's burial
3. Firstfruits - fulfilled LITERALLY with Christ's resurrection
4. Pentecost - fulfilled LITERALLY by Christ in Acts 2

The first four were fulfilled LITERALLY and IN ORDER by Christ.

So, tell us, when were these fulfilled?

5. Trumpets
6. Day of Atonement
7. Tabernacles

I can show you from scripture when they WILL BE fulfilled, but I don't suspect that you can receive it.