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The Elephant in the Room - April 13th, 2010, 09:22 AM

The Elephant in the Room

This is the show from Monday April 12th, 2010.

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When Obama goes up for re-election, there are states that are trying to pass laws that say if you want to be on the ballot for president, you have to show your birth certificate so that you can be certified to be a natural born citizen.
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* It’s Up to You, New York: For years Bob Enyart Live has maintained a position that while locking up more and more criminals would lead to a temporary reduction in crime rates, it would ultimately fail to end the crime epidemic. Now the jail terms are ending, a new generation of criminals is coming of age and the epidemic is returning to The City.

* A Czar is Born: Seconding the notion of Michelle Obama regarding the birthplace America’s 44th president is one James Orengo, Kenyan member of parliament. He feels America had a real “kum-ba-ya “moment in the 2008 election of Barry Hussein and hopes that even if we’re not all born in the same land we can all just get along.

* Freshly Fertilized: It’s no surprise when ABC reporters, NARAL mouth pieces and Planned Parenthood organs use dehumanizing terms for the tiniest boys and girls. Personhood advocates have lambasted them for their use of terms like "fertilized egg”, so now they’re saying we want to give rights to “freshly fertilized eggs”, (thinking that this makes the Personhood argument even that much more ridiculous). But it is comments from so called pro-life organizations regarding Personhood and recent abortion regulations that receive the bulk of Bob’s, and co-host Doug McBurney’s ire.

* PETA Principle: While PETA implicitly supports legalized abortion, they draw the line at making elephants uncomfortable in any way.

Personhood is the most important human rights movement of your lifetime. Will you be one who fights to end the systematic dehumanization and murder of an entire class of citizen? Or will you stay in your comfort zone? If you live in any state in America, you can advance personhood via the 2010 ballot or in one of three different ways. If you live in Colorado join by calling or e-mailing Personhood Colorado or Colorado Right to Life.

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April 13th, 2010, 09:36 AM

the elephant in the room is the U.S. Supreme Court which will rule and determine if any law or any state constitution is constitutional







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April 14th, 2010, 06:13 AM

Well, it is a "fertilized egg".







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April 14th, 2010, 08:19 AM

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Well, it is a "fertilized egg".
Then so are you.







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April 14th, 2010, 10:08 AM

Jukia.





   
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Then so are you.
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Then so are you.
No, I was a fertilized egg, now I am a 60+ year old human







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April 16th, 2010, 07:54 AM

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Then so are you.
I'm sorry but a fertilized egg isn't in any way the same thing definition wise as a fetus, an infant, a child or an adult.

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Personhood advocates have lambasted them for their use of terms like "fertilized egg”, so now they’re saying we want to give rights to “freshly fertilized eggs”, (thinking that this makes the Personhood argument even that much more ridiculous).
A Dehumanizing term? Its the scientific term for what results from the union of sperm and egg. Unless you want to use the term "zygote".

A fertilized egg is ONE cell, it has no heartbeat, no brain (not even a nerve cell) nothing we would even associate with early embryos. An adult human has trillions of cells, we shed them every day without thinking we've killed a potential copy of ourselves.

Calling a fertilized egg a person IS ridiculous, period.





   
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April 16th, 2010, 08:31 AM

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I'm sorry but a fertilized egg isn't in any way the same thing definition wise as a fetus, an infant, a child or an adult.



A Dehumanizing term? Its the scientific term for what results from the union of sperm and egg. Unless you want to use the term "zygote".

A fertilized egg is ONE cell, it has no heartbeat, no brain (not even a nerve cell) nothing we would even associate with early embryos. An adult human has trillions of cells, we shed them every day without thinking we've killed a potential copy of ourselves.

Calling a fertilized egg a person IS ridiculous, period.
A person is a person no matter how small.

Only the truly dedicated murderer devises means to detect and exterminate a person who has just recently been conceived.





   
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I'm sorry but a fertilized egg isn't in any way the same thing definition wise as a fetus, an infant, a child or an adult. A Dehumanizing term? Its the scientific term for what results from the union of sperm and egg. Unless you want to use the term "zygote".
An adult is a fully grown person.
A child is a growing person.
An infant is a recently born person.
A fetus is an unborn person.
A fertilised egg is a newly conceived person.

None of those are dehumanising terms.

A man from Africa might be a black man.
A man from Europe might be a white man.

None of those are dehumanising terms.

It's not a person because it is only a fertilised egg.
It's not a person because it's black.

Those are dehumanising terms.

You're going to have to learn to deal with context and intent if you want to contribute anything reasonable to a discussion.

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A fertilized egg is ONE cell, it has no heartbeat, no brain (not even a nerve cell) nothing we would even associate with early embryos.
1. Heartbeats and brains do not determine who is and who is not a person.
2. The heart and the brain are contained within the single cell.
3. We are talking about a baby at conception, not embryos.

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An adult human has trillions of cells, we shed them every day without thinking we've killed a potential copy of ourselves.
You're not very good at this biology stuff, are you? When we shed cells they may well have the potential to become our clones.

But a newly conceived child does not have that potential.

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Calling a fertilized egg a person IS ridiculous, period.
Calling you a rational person is ridiculous.





   
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April 16th, 2010, 09:27 AM

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No, I was a fertilized egg, now I am a 60+ year old human
You were a human then too, albeit a single-celled one. You gotta start somewhere.





   
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April 16th, 2010, 09:28 AM

LIFE BEGINS when the Blood (life-spirit) enters the Fetus.







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LIFE BEGINS when the Blood (life-spirit) enters the Fetus.
Let us know when blood starts entering your brain.





   
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An adult is a fully grown person.
A child is a growing person.
An infant is a recently born person.
A fetus is an unborn person.
A fertilised egg is a newly conceived person.

None of those are dehumanising terms.

A man from Africa might be a black man.
A man from Europe might be a white man.

None of those are dehumanising terms.

It's not a person because it is only a fertilised egg.
It's not a person because it's black.

Those are dehumanising terms.

You're going to have to learn to deal with context and intent if you want to contribute anything reasonable to a discussion.



1. Heartbeats and brains do not determine who is and who is not a person.
2. The heart and the brain are contained within the single cell.
3. We are talking about a baby at conception, not embryos.


You're not very good at this biology stuff, are you? When we shed cells they may well have the potential to become our clones.

But a newly conceived child does not have that potential.


Calling you a rational person is ridiculous.
I really liked this post.

Simple and to the point.







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April 16th, 2010, 10:45 AM

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You were a human then too, albeit a single-celled one. You gotta start somewhere.
I'd disagree. An egg is not a "human being." It might be called "human matter," or something to that effect...but a person it definitely isn't.







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