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Nun Talks about Sex and Torture in Convents - April 14th, 2010, 09:04 PM

Suicide of Nun in Kerala India Caused by Abuse by Mother Superior: Father cries Foul Play

Mary, 24, committed suicide Monday evening by hanging herself in the convent. She had come to the convent May 27 and was a member of the Vimala Hridya Franciscan congregation.
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A former nun’s tell-all story which details illicit relationships, sexual harassment and bullying in the convent where she spent three decades is causing ructions in the Catholic Church in the south Indian state of Kerala.
In Amen – an autobiography of a nun, Sister Jesme says when she became a nun she discovered priests were forcing novices to have sex with them.

There were also secret homosexual relationships among the nuns and at one point she was forced into such a relationship by another nun who told her she preferred this kind of arrangement as it ruled out the possibility of pregnancy.
She also alleges that while senior staff turned a blind eye to the actions of more experienced nuns, novices were strongly punished, even for minor transgressions.

There are many nuns undergoing ill-treatment from the order, but they are afraid of challenging it. The church is a formidable fortress.”
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Sister Charlotte - 20 Years Trapped in a ConventAt the age of 16 1/2 years old, Sister Charlotte, entered the White Veil (open convent) as a nun to serve the Lord. When 21 years old she entered the Black Veil (closed convent) where she endured starvation, sexual attacks and torture until her escape 22 years later.
At the age of 16 1/2 years old, Sister Charlotte, entered the White Veil (open convent) as a nun to serve the Lord. When 21 years old she entered the Black Veil (closed convent) where she endured starvation, sexual attacks and torture until her escape 22 years later.

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April 14th, 2010, 09:27 PM

We are all sinners.

But it is time to take a good look at the church and the leadership in ALL churches. If one church is the mother of harlots, who are the harlots?

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If one church is the mother of harlots, who are the harlots?
RCC = Mother
Harlots = All the denominations that came out of her



   
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April 14th, 2010, 09:43 PM

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April 14th, 2010, 10:02 PM

While Anupa Mary did indeed commit suicide in India in 2008 (probably saying a lot about the sad state of affairs in many convents ever since the new order,) the Charlotte Keckler story is so obviously a re-hash of the old Maria Monk fraud I'm embarrassed for all of you who fall for it.





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Next to show up on this post as we all know that Cruciform "The Apologist" and Head Man "standing in the gap" representing, in-defense of, corruption in the highest places from the throne of hell.
Wow. You guys really can't stand me, can you? Not even at the fundamental level of basic Christian charity...


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...right on time...
Did you have something intelligent to say, Aner? An actual argument to make, perhaps?...No? Didn't think so.


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April 15th, 2010, 07:33 PM

This is not just an American problem. An article in the Observer in 2003 said that 'While the Church of England remains in turmoil over the sexuality of its bishops, some believe the mounting catalogue of sexual abuse against women is the real untold scandal of the Church. (...) Britain's leading investigator of sexual abuse in the Church is Margaret Kennedy, a former social worker who was a pioneer in raising the issue of child abuse in the Roman Catholic and other Christian churches (...) Kennedy believes the sexual abuse of adults by clergymen is just as serious as child abuse'

Kennedy says: 'One of the major problems is that the perpetrator is a male member of the clergy who is seen as above reproach. The woman is often seen as the seductress who has tempted the priest into a sexual relationship.

Great pressure is brought on the women to keep quiet about the abuse. Kennedy found that: 'The level of violence is surprising and the need to silence the women at all times was a universal story. Women told of the priest/minister getting angry if they dared to tell anyone anything about the 'relationship'. They were told time and again that they were special people and that the minister depended on them. The power and control exerted by the ministers over the women was multi-factored'.

When women do report the cases, the results are predictable. One Cardinal told a woman who had been abused and made pregnant by a priest that she should have an abortion. 'Bishops try to turn the discourse to one of boundary issues, that priests and ministers have just got their boundaries confused. It is not about boundaries, the stories these women told were of rape, assault and violence; these were crimes, not boundary issues,' said Kennedy.

Not surprisingly, 'The women reported complete confusions at what was happening. Some were told that rape was good for them.'

The consequences of abuse are many and devastating.

Abuse of nuns by the clergy is even more concealed. Researcher Ann Wolf said: 'The bishops appear to be only looking at the issue of child sexual abuse, but the problem is bigger than that. Catholic sisters are being violated, in their ministries, at work, in pastoral counselling'.

One survey of nuns done in the US in 1996 was never publicized. It was paid for, in part, by several orders of Catholic nuns. The findings were published in two religious research journals in 1998 but have never been reported in the mainstream press.

The researchers believe the numbers are more likely to be an underestimate than an overestimate of the true prevalence of sexual victimization: 'The fear and pain of disclosure would be sufficient enough to discourage responding in some sisters'.

In 2001, the Catholic Church in Rome was forced to admit that it knew priests from at least 23 countries had been abusing nuns after confidential reports were obtained by an American Catholic newspaper. Some of the reports had been in circulation for at least seven years. The US article was based on documents some of which senior women in religious orders and priests had presented to the Vatican over a period of a decade.

In some cases, nuns who became pregnant were pressured to have abortions. In one case, a nun died while having an abortion and her abuser led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 nuns from one order who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.

There were also cases of novices who applied to their local priest or bishop for certificates of good Catholic practice which they needed to carry out their vocation. In return, they were made to have sex.

Sister Maura O'Donahue, an AIDS co-ordinator for the charity Cafod quoted a case in 1991 of a community superior being approached by priests requesting that nuns be made available to them for sexual favours. 'When the superior refused, the priests explained that they would otherwise be obliged to go to the village to find women and might thus get AIDS.' She heard cases of priests encouraging nuns to take the pill, telling them it would prevent HIV. Others 'actually encouraged abortions for the sisters' and Catholic hospital and medical staff reported pressure from priests to carry out terminations for nuns and other young women




Some Catholic apologists have tried to deflect attention from child abuse by pointing out that it happens in other religions and in families.
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Some Catholic apologists have tried to deflect attention from child abuse by pointing out that it happens in other religions and in families. "Cruciform profile"
Nonsense, it has nothing whatsoever to do with "deflecting attention," though this is no doubt easier for you to fit into your pathologically anti-Catholic worldview.

You like to post the sins of Catholics, as though this somehow magically renders the Catholic Church herself null and void as Christ's historic Church, all the while conveniently ignoring the fact that Protestants commit the very same sins, and that this would (according to your "logic") rule out the Protestant churches as well.

Thus, it's you who's attempting to deflect attention by selectively focusing on the sins of Catholics while pretending that Protestantism isn't in the very same ecclesial boat on this point. My advice is that you don't bother to try and negate the Catholic Church by appealing to the sins of its members unless you're prepared to perform the very same judgment on your own Protestant tradition. To do otherwise is simply hypocritical in the extreme.


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TOL'ers don't even mention me when they talk about the Catholics on the board. :squint:
It's just a desperate form of ad hominem attack intended to take the place of any actual rational argument or point (see, for example, Post #5 above). It's entirely rhetorical, and therefore completely irrelevant. Indeed, it says far more about them than it ever could about any Catholic here on TOL.

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It's just a desperate form of ad hominem attack intended to take the place of any actual rational argument or point (see, for example, Post #5 above). It's entirely rhetorical, and therefore completely irrelevant. Indeed, it says far more about them than it ever could about any Catholic here on TOL.


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