[agape]

Originally posted by Evangelion
Wow, that was a compelling argument.

Far more compelling than the arguments you been raising lately.

[Evangelion]

ROTFL...

[agape]

Originally posted by Evangelion
ROTFL...

Glad to see that you can laugh at yourself...it's a good thing.

[Apollos]

agape -

Your condescendion is surpassed only by your ignorance of God's word.

It is not by accident that you can answer my last post "point for point", yet when one hits with the light of truth, you scurry away like a roach.

Good luck - you need it!

[c.moore]

Originally posted by agape
LOL...only in the new bible you are writing.
Oh please Kevin, I've been there, already gave my explanation explaining that Peter was talking about "spiritual water"...not water baptism. Please find and read.

They were baptized with the holy spirit and began to speak with tongues. You need to read both chapter 10 and 11 to understand more fully...maybe it will finally sink into your head that John baptized with water...BUT...BUT ..."BUT YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST..."
So what is your point? In the OT the God allowed His spirit to be upon certain people so that God could give them the revelation they needed to know, which they could not know by their five senses. They prophesied what God told them. Numbers 11:25 has nothing to do with "baptism" at all...except in your new writing of the bible. :rolleyes"
What put them INTO Christ could only be accomplished by their being baptized with HOLY SPIRIT...NOT WATER. AFTER Paul explained to them that AFTER John came CHRIST JESUS. He preached CHRIST. They HEARD and believed and were baptized with the HOLY SPIRIt...NOT WATER.

THEN Paul laid hands on them and prayed that they would manifest the ALREADY SPIRIT OF GOD IN THEM...THEY SPOKE IN TONGUES AND PROPHESIED.

Plain and simple.

In the name of the Lord has nothing to do with whether one is baptized in water or in spirit...LOL. Acts 10:47-48 is proof that they were not water baptized but were baptized in the holy spirit...For JESUS SAID: "...BUT YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST NOT MANY DAYS HENCE." They were baptized in the holy spirit and they spoke in tongues which was evidence of their receiving the gift of holy spirit. NO WATER.

It doesn't take a Bible scholar to realize that Jesus is exaplaining the concept that one must be reborn in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus answers this question by saying that one needs to be born of water and the spirit to be reborn,

It may not take a bible scholar, but it does take one who honestly does II Timothy 2:15 which does not include writing one's own bible such as you do. You still continue to twist God's Word around to make it say what you only want it to say such as you are now doing with John 3:5-7. Jesus plainly states: John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Also, in verse 3; "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Jesus makes it very clear that a person needs to be born again of the Spirit. We are not RE-Born of our first birth, of course... nor are we re-born of spiritual birth because we never had a spiritual birth to do it again. We are BORN AGAIN. The "again" means we were born in the flesh the first time (from our mother's womb where there is water)...born of water...and then we are born AGAIN...a new birth...with HOLY SPIRIT. Get it now? Sheesh...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:6 THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH;....

...and THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.

We are first born of our parents...the physical, fleshy birth...then we are "born AGAIN" with the HOLY SPIRIT.

Also note what Jesus stated is exactly what was practiced in the NT (Acts 10:47-48, Acts 2:38).

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water [louo = to bathe, wash, of a dead person, washing to cleanse blood out of the wounds]

This has nothing to do with being "baptized in water." Having their bodies washed with pure water indicates ceremonial washing or cleansing. See Exodus 30:18-24. [/quote]




Agape most of this water baptismo scuba divers don`t want to understand what the bbok of Acts is al about.

if they understand about Acts theyy might get the message, and the devil will be mad.

Keep up the truth, and facts,they might get it after 40 years going through the internet

God bless

[HopeofGlory]

As we review the actual account of Jesus speaking of the “things” of the kingdom we see water baptism being directly related to the promise of the kingdom. Water baptism was to "prepare" them to enter into the kingdom as kings and priests. John’s baptism in Acts 1: 5 is spoken of in contrast to..... “but” (on the contrary) ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost!

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: Ex. 19:5 (KJV)
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Ex. 19:6 (KJV)

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, "Prepare" ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mark 1:3 (KJV)
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4 (KJV)

To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3 (KJV)
And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me. Acts 1:4 (KJV)
For John truly baptized with water; but (on the contrary) ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:5 (KJV)
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:6 (KJV)
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1:7 (KJV)
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8 (KJV)

"Not many days hence" in verse 5 must be considered if we seek the truth of the Lord's words. The promise was not received as we see it mentioned again in 2 Pet 3:9 with Peter explaining that it was not received with these words: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Pet. 3:8 (KJV)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pet. 3:9 (KJV)

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward. Heb. 10:35 (KJV)
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. Heb. 10:36 (KJV)
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Heb. 10:37 (KJV)

And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me. Acts 1:4 (KJV)

Jesus told them of the "things" of the kingdom then commanded go to Jerusalem "but"(on the contrary) "wait" for the promise of the father "ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost" not many days hence.

It was not for them to know the times or the seasons!
Peter quoting the Lord in Acts 11:16 does not mean he understood it! Peter believed they would receive the kingdom and the promise but as seen in 2 Pet 3:9 we know Peter was wrong!

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8 (KJV)

The above verse explains what they will received at Jerusalem “but ye shall receive power” and that is exactly what they received and is proved in the fact there is not one verse in which they were baptized with the Holy Ghost. What they received at Pentecost was not unique and it was not baptism with the Holy Ghost.

Baptism “of” the Holy Ghost is not a biblical term but John said Jesus would baptize with the Holy Ghost. Some believe the Holy Ghost baptized which is not true, like the "baptism of John" meaning John baptized. If you believe Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost then use the biblical term "baptize with the Holy Ghost“. If we believe the word is inspired by God then let's not destroy the terminology.

They truly did receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and it was promised that they would receive it at Pentecost. Jesus did not promise He would baptize with the Holy Ghost at Pentecost but said “not many days hence“.
Ye shall receive power is on the other side of "but"(on the contrary) "wait","not many days hence" of He will "baptized with the Holy Ghost."

Spirit filled was not unique at Pentecost and their baptism was one of water. Moses received like power and others were filled with the Holy Ghost before Pentecost.

Old testament examples:

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb. Luke 1:15 (KJV)

And it came to pass that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Luke 1:41 (KJV)

In order to prophecy in the name of Jesus and perform miracles, etc one has to be filled with the Holy Ghost. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. John 3:2 (KJV)

"Gifts" of the Holy Ghost are clearly taught and can only be done by God through them.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matt. 7:22 (KJV)
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt. 7:23 (KJV)

Those that received the filling of the Holy Ghost with power (children of the kingdom) will be told by the Lord that He never knew them!!!!!!!! Scripture testifies that we were chosen before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4) and we must believe in the blood sacrifice of the gift giver for our sins and not the gifts.

Receiving gifts of the Holy Ghost should not be confused with being baptized by the Spirit into the body. Spirit baptism places “all” (1 Cor 12:13) who accept Christ’s death for their sins into the body of Christ and it does not give “all” power (Acts 1:8) to perform miracles as did the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In Christ
Craig

[agape]

Originally posted by c.moore
Keep up the truth, and facts,they might get it after 40 years going through the internet

Thanks c.moore...hope they see the truth a lot sooner than 40 years!

[c.moore]

Hello agape

Just keep praying for them that God opens thier eyes open like he did saul.

Be blessed

[Kevin]

Agape,

[quote]Acts 10:47-48
Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we have?
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Oh please Kevin, I've been there, already gave my explanation explaining that Peter was talking about "spiritual water"...not water baptism. Please find and read.[quote]

This is NOT speaking of spiritual water. It is speaking of literal water. A perfect example is when Philip baptized the eunuch in water. Are you going to tell me that that was spirit water too? After being preached Jesus, he was baptized into Christ, and it used real WATER. The eunuch SAW the water and asked "See, here is water, what doth hinder me from being baptized?". He SAW water, you can't see spiritual water.

They were baptized with the holy spirit and began to speak with tongues.

Yup, the same thing (miraculous abilities) happened to the people in Numbers too. That didn't put them into Christ. The fact is, if the falling of the HS, which gave the Gentiles the ability to speak in tongues, is what put them into Christ, then there would be no need for Peter to command baptism in the name of the Lord after already being baptized by the Spirit, but he DID.

Are you ever going to answer my point about MAN not having the ability to baptize people with spirit baptism? MAN was commanded to preach and baptize, and the only baptism that MAN can perform is water baptism. It is GOD who baptizes with the HS at His choosing, not MAN, therefore HS baptism cannot be the baptism commanded in the Great Commission (the ONE baptism), because MAN was told to do it, not God.

The people in Numbers 11:25 also had the HS fall upon them, giving them the ability to prophecy! The same spirit did the same thing for both parties - it gave them power.
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So what is your point? In the OT the God allowed His spirit to be upon certain people so that God could give them the revelation they needed to know, which they could not know by their five senses. They prophesied what God told them. Numbers 11:25 has nothing to do with "baptism" at all...except in your new writing of the bible.

My point is that both parties (Numbers 11:25 and Acts 10:44) had the SAME Spirit rest upon them which had the SAME effect upon them (miraculous abilities). If you are going to argue that the falling of the HS is what put them into Christ in Acts 10:44, then, to be consistent, you must also say that it put the people in Numbers into Christ, which is impossible. The same thing happened by the same spirit to both parties.

What put them INTO Christ could only be accomplished by their being baptized with HOLY SPIRIT

Nope. The baptism which puts us into Christ is the one commanded at the Great Commission, which MAN is commanded to do, NOT God. Man cannot baptize people with the HS. Man can however, baptize people in water in the name of the Lord, and then God give the gift of the HS (Acts 2:38).

Acts 10:47-48 is proof that they were not water baptized but were baptized in the holy spirit...For JESUS SAID: "...BUT YE SHALL BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY GHOST NOT MANY DAYS HENCE."

Oh PLEASE!!! He was speaking to the apostles when He said "ye will be baptized with the Holy Ghost". And it happened in Acts 2:3-4. They received miraculous powers, which is a far cry from being baptized into the death of Chist! As said earlier, this same thing happened to the people in Numbers!

John 3:6 THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH;....

...and THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT.

I agree with those verses. Jesus is simply saying that we need to be reborn in the Spirit in order to make into the kingdom of God. Jesus explains HOW on is born of the Spirit in verse 5, with WATER and the Spirit, which is what is practiced in the NT (eunuch baptism for example).

One who is born of the flesh, that is, somebody who hasn't been baptized into Christ (which does use water), will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

We are first born of our parents...the physical, fleshy birth...then we are "born AGAIN" with the HOLY SPIRIT.

The "water" spoken of in verse 5 is NOT speaking of water in the womb. Nicodemus is asking how one is born again, after already coming out of the womb with water. To answer a question on how to be born AGAIN has NOTHING to do with the first natural birth.

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water [louo = to bathe, wash, of a dead person, washing to cleanse blood out of the wounds]

This has nothing to do with being "baptized in water." Having their bodies washed with pure water indicates ceremonial washing or cleansing. See Exodus 30:18-24.

Wrong (again). If you read just a few verses back (verse 19), you would see that the verse I quoted is relevant to OUR dispensation, not the one in Exodus. It speaks having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, which was not possible in Exodus. Nice try. It then goes on to say how are bodies are washed with pure water, which is exactly what happened when Phillip baptized the eunuch.

[HopeofGlory]

Kevin,

My replies are bold.

I can't speak for agape but your false interpretations are a product of a false spirit.

Acts 10:47-48
Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we have?


This is NOT speaking of spiritual water. It is speaking of literal water. A perfect example is when Philip baptized the eunuch in water. Are you going to tell me that that was spirit water too? After being preached Jesus, he was baptized into Christ, and it used real WATER. The eunuch SAW the water and asked "See, here is water, what doth hinder me from being baptized?". He SAW water, you can't see spiritual water.

The eunuch was not baptized into Christ! He was baptized in water. Your logic > water=Christ. Show me in context where the eunuch or Cornelius was baptized into Christ.
You mangle scripture through your ineptitude, totally destroying it's clear meaning.


[quote]They were baptized with the holy spirit and began to speak with tongues.

Yup, the same thing (miraculous abilities) happened to the people in Numbers too. That didn't put them into Christ. The fact is, if the falling of the HS, which gave the Gentiles the ability to speak in tongues, is what put them into Christ, then there would be no need for Peter to command baptism in the name of the Lord after already being baptized by the Spirit, be he DID.

They were not baptized by the Spirit into the body at Pentecost but they did receive "power".....But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8 (KJV)

Again, give me one scripture where "water" baptism placed placed anybody into Christ.


Are you ever going to answer my point about MAN not having the ability to baptize people with spirit baptism?

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt. 28:19 (KJV)

It is clear the apostles are being instructed to teach and the teaching of the word will baptize them. The word is spirit and it is by this word we are baptized...It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life John 6:63 (KJV). The quickening of the spirit (baptism) is immediate when the words of the new testament are believed. The new testament is a new testimony with a greater witness (John 5:33-36) for remission of sins (Matt. 26:28) as opposed to the old testimony for remission (Mark 1:4).



MAN was commanded to preach and baptize,

More perversion, Christ never commanded the apostles to "water" baptize.

and the only baptism that MAN can perform is water baptism.

Good point.

It is GOD who baptizes with the HS at His choosing, not MAN,

Spirit baptism is for "all" and it is an operation of God not man!

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Cor. 12:13 (KJV)

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the ""operation of God"", who hath raised him from the dead. Col. 2:12 (KJV)


therefore HS baptism cannot the baptism commanded in the Great Commission (the ONE baptism), because MAN was told to do it, not God.

No one tells God what to do! Your twisted reasoning would conclude such because you believe that man has the power to baptize into Christ even though it is an operation of God and the Baptist said.. but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Mark 1:8 (KJV)

In Christ
Craig

[itsjustdave1988]

From the very 1st Century, the Fathers of the Church have taught that through Baptism, God gives us grace. The sacred writers tell us that it is in baptism that we are saved, buried with Christ, incorporated into his body, washed of our sins, regenerated, cleansed, and so on (see Acts 2:38, 22:16; Rom. 6:1–4; 1 Cor. 6:11, 12:13; Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 5:25-27; Col. 2:11–12; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:18–22). They are unanimous in speaking of baptism as really bringing about a spiritual effect.

After hearing the gospel proclaimed by Peter, the crowd asked Peter, "What are we to do, brothers?" Peter answered, "You must reform and be baptized, each one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, that your sins may be forgiven; then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Act 3:37-38)

Then what did the first Christian's do? "The devoted themselves to the apostles' instruction and the communal life, to the breaking of bread and the prayers." (cf. Acts 3:42) This is the essence of a Christian life. Christians devoted themselves to apostolic teaching, and Baptism was a prominent part of that teaching.

Protestant early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly writes, "From the beginning baptism was the universally accepted rite of admission to the Church. . . . As regards its significance, it was always held to convey the remission of sins . . . we descend into the water ‘dead’ and come out again ‘alive’; we receive a white robe which symbolizes the Spirit . . .the Spirit is God himself dwelling in the believer, and the resulting life is a re-creation. Prior to baptism . . . our heart was the abode of demons . . . [but] baptism supplies us with the weapons for our spiritual warfare" (Early Christian Doctrines, 193–4).

Quotations from Early Church Fathers on Baptism...

The Letter of Barnabas

"Regarding [baptism], we have the evidence of Scripture that Israel would refuse to accept the washing which confers the remission of sins and would set up a substitution of their own instead [Ps. 1:3–6]. Observe there how he describes both the water and the cross in the same figure. His meaning is, ‘Blessed are those who go down into the water with their hopes set on the cross.’ Here he is saying that after we have stepped down into the water, burdened with sin and defilement, we come up out of it bearing fruit, with reverence in our hearts and the hope of Jesus in our souls" (Letter of Barnabas 11:1–10 [A.D. 74]).

Hermas

"‘I have heard, sir,’ said I, ‘from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.’ He said to me, ‘You have heard rightly, for so it is’" (The Shepherd 4:3:1–2 [A.D. 80]).

Ignatius of Antioch

"Let none of you turn deserter. Let your baptism be your armor; your faith, your helmet; your love, your spear; your patient endurance, your panoply" (Letter to Polycarp 6 [A.D. 110]).

Second Clement

"For, if we do the will of Christ, we shall find rest; but if otherwise, then nothing shall deliver us from eternal punishment, if we should disobey his commandments. . . . [W]ith what confidence shall we, if we keep not our baptism pure and undefiled, enter into the kingdom of God? Or who shall be our advocate, unless we be found having holy and righteous works?’ (Second Clement 6:7–9 [A.D. 150]).

Justin Martyr

"Whoever are convinced and believe that what they are taught and told by us is the truth, and professes to be able to live accordingly, are instructed to pray and to beseech God in fasting for the remission of their former sins, while we pray and fast with them. Then they are led by us to a place where there is water, and they are reborn in the same kind of rebirth in which we ourselves were reborn: ‘In the name of God, the Lord and Father of all, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit,’ they receive the washing of water. For Christ said, ‘Unless you be reborn, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven’" (First Apology 61:14–17 [A.D. 151]).

Theophilus of Antioch

"Moreover, those things which were created from the waters were blessed by God, so that this might also be a sign that men would at a future time receive repentance and remission of sins through water and the bath of regeneration—all who proceed to the truth and are born again and receive a blessing from God" (To Autolycus 12:16 [A.D. 181]).

Clement of Alexandria

"When we are baptized, we are enlightened. Being enlightened, we are adopted as sons. Adopted as sons, we are made perfect. Made perfect, we become immortal . . . ‘and sons of the Most High’ [Ps. 82:6]. This work is variously called grace, illumination, perfection, and washing. It is a washing by which we are cleansed of sins, a gift of grace by which the punishments due our sins are remitted, an illumination by which we behold that holy light of salvation" (The Instructor of Children 1:6:26:1 [A.D. 191]).

itsjustdave1988

[Kevin]

HopeofGlory,

I can't speak for agape but your false interpretations are a product of a false spirit.

Coming from you, and your position on the word of God, that's a compliment. I'm glad I don't share your beliefs.

The eunuch was not baptized into Christ!

Proof? He was preached Jesus and then was baptized. Just what do you think he was baptized into?

He was baptized in water.

Agreed.

Your logic > water=Christ.

Wrong. You just don't understand.

Show me in context where the eunuch or Cornelius was baptized into Christ.

Both parties were baptized after being preached the gospel. Why would they be baptized into anything other than Christ, when He is the point of the gospel message?

They were not baptized by the Spirit into the body at Pentecost but they did receive "power".....But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8 (KJV)

Again, give me one scripture where "water" baptism placed placed anybody into Christ.

The eunuch. You're just too blinded by your dispy garbage to realize that. Pity.

It is clear the apostles are being instructed to teach and the teaching of the word will baptize them.

Wrong. You are trying to make the Great Commission say something that it does not say. Jesus gave the Great Commission for MAN, yes MAN, to carry out. Everything mentioned in there was for MAN to do. Did he address the great commission to the Spirit (the word)? NO!! Therefore the word does not automatically baptize people when they hear and believe it,because the Spirit was not commanded to do so. That is your inserted baloney.

The word is spirit and it is by this word we are baptized

Yes, it is by the word of God (the Spirit) which compells us to be baptized into Christ. This is what happened to the eunuch and the Jews in Acts 2:38. Since one is supposedly automatically baptized upon hearing the gospel, why did Peter have to tell them to be baptized (Acts 2:38)? He wouldn't have to tell them if it automatically happens. Go ahead, tell me it's because Peter didn't preach the blood of Christ...

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Yes, those words are life. Part of those words that lead to life are "Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)

The quickening of the spirit (baptism) is immediate when the words of the new testament are believed.

Oh really? Then why didn't the HS fall upon me and rest on my head? Why didn't I see the burning tongues of fire when I believed?

MAN was commanded to preach and baptize,

More perversion,

You're blindness is pathetic. Here, answer this simple question for me: To whom was Jesus speaking when He instituted the Great Commission?

If you answer with anything other than the apostles, which are MEN, then you need some serious help in your Bible studies. Serious help.

Christ never commanded the apostles to "water" baptize.

Yes He did, because that's what was practiced!

and the only baptism that MAN can perform is water baptism.

Good point.

Indeed it is. Thank you.

therefore HS baptism cannot the baptism commanded in the Great Commission (the ONE baptism), because MAN was told to do it, not God.

No one tells God what to do!

I would never dream of telling God what to do. You are one confused individual.

and the Baptist said.. but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Mark 1:8 (KJV)

I agree with that. One such example is Acts 2:38 - "and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit".

[Kevin]

itsjustdave1988,

Amen and amen!

[Kevin]

So tell me, Agape, when you chew food with your mouth, are you actually using your mouth, or are you doing that inwardly with actually using your mouth?

[agape]

Originally posted by Kevin
So tell me, Agape, when you chew food with your mouth, are you actually using your mouth, or are you doing that inwardly with actually using your mouth?

Give it a rest Kevin, you are just making yourself look more and more ridiculous every time.

I guess it's just too spiritual for you to understand so it just keeps going over your head.