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Is the Hebrew word for God elohim? And if it is, is the word singular or plural?
Jamie
The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.
On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.
Do you have faith that Jesus Christ has overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil?
1 John 5:4-5, "For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God."
Jesus is Lord because he is victorious over sin, death and the devil.
Believing that Jesus is Lord is the divideing point as to whether you are really a Christian or a counterfeit. Many religions do not believe that Jesus is Lord. This is evident because they do not teach the Lordship of Christ.
Calvinist, Catholics and others do not teach the Lordship of Christ. Jesus is not Lord if he has only made a limited atonement. Jesus is not Lord if he is not the savior of the whole world. Jesus is not Lord if you have to save yourself by dealing with your own sins. Jesus is not Lord if you have to add your works to his salvation.
Those who are "In Christ" have overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil. We have overcome because Jesus has overcome. We are resting in his victory, Hebrews 4:10.
When Jesus was accepted back into heaven by God he received a heros welcome. By his sinless life and his atonement for sin he has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. It's over, it's finished. Sin, death and the devil have been defeated, Jesus is Lord. If there was one sin not atoned for Jesus would not have been accepted into heaven and we would still be in our sins.
Jesus Christ now owns the world and all that are in it, he has purchased it with his blood. He will be returning soon to claim what is his. Revelation 19:16 says that when he returns, "On his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Those of you who have not made Jesus your Lord and savior will be made to bow and to confess, "That Jesus is Lord." Philippians 2:9-10.
Good post Robert. I am suprised the autopilot hasn't popped in saying Jesus only dealt with intial justification. Or csuguy on why the Christ is not God in the flesh. I see the spawn of satan keypurr has posted.
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And then what?
Jamie
Judgement for the unbeliever. They will be judged on their works as they do not believe.
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Okay, so everyone has received eternal life, now what do they do?
Jamie
Clearly everybody is not saved. So where do you get this from?
The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.
On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.
And others who also speak and read Hebrew disagree with you. The stuff I have read including a copy of "The Holy Scriptures" which has none of the "N.T.", says, "Let us make man in our image"
And others who also speak and read Hebrew disagree with you. The stuff I have read including a copy of "The Holy Scriptures" which has none of the "N.T.", says, "Let us make man in our image"
In Genesis there is one instance where a plural verb is used when god is talking. It appears that he is talking to someone(s) else. He talks in the singular:
Then God (Elohim) said (singular), "Let us make (plural) man in our image, in our likeness,"
But hey, those who want to find the Trinity in the Hebrew Bible will do it, by hook or by crook. Even if they have a hard time finding it in their own NT. So enjoy!
There is only one God. He exists in three persons, yet is one God. It is painfully obvious you don't know him.
I am aware of your 'Trinity', as the god/s that some Christians believe in. I am not a Christian, and don't believe in the Trinity. I know the single one God of my people.
I also know the Hebrew Bible, the ancient holy book of my people. I believe that I understand it far better than many Christians who try to convince me that there is a Christian message hidden in there.
I am proud to be stubborn and stick to my people's faith.
And I did notice that you haven't responded to my recent points, unless telling somebody "I'm right, you're wrong- convert!" is a response.
Does that mean you are going to become a Christian?
Not in the modern sense of the word if you are referring to those who believe in the trinity, immortal souls, the catholic / protestant concept of heaven and hell, Sunday keeping, Christmas observing, Easter observing, Halloween observing, etc.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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April 29th, 2010, 07:57 AM
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Not in the modern sense of the word if you are referring to those who believe in the trinity, immortal souls, the catholic / protestant concept of heaven and hell, Sunday keeping, Christmas observing, Easter observing, Halloween observing, etc.
Jamie
How about confessing that you are a sinner and Jesus is your savior.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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April 29th, 2010, 08:01 AM
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I am aware of your 'Trinity', as the god/s that some Christians believe in. I am not a Christian, and don't believe in the Trinity. I know the single one God of my people.
I also know the Hebrew Bible, the ancient holy book of my people. I believe that I understand it far better than many Christians who try to convince me that there is a Christian message hidden in there.
I am proud to be stubborn and stick to my people's faith.
And I did notice that you haven't responded to my recent points, unless telling somebody "I'm right, you're wrong- convert!" is a response.
Your peoples faith???
The whole New Testament was written by Jews. There are no Gentile writings in the New Testament. Even your Messiah was a Jew. I think you are as blind as a bat.
The noun has a plural form, but it does not mean that God is plural. You can tell this by the verb form used with Elohim, which is in the singular. Study some Hebrew and you will see what I mean.
On the other hand, there are verses that explicitly say that God is one (the most well known one is in Deuteronomy 6:4). And don't start telling me that 'one' in Hebrew means something different than 'one' in English. It doesn't.
El is singular, elohim is plural. There is one God, but the one God is comprised of more than one person. Melchizedec blessed Abraham on behalf of the Most High God.
There is one God in the same way as the United States is one nation, but the one nation is comprised of more than one person. Or you could refer to one team, one family, one group.
The whole New Testament was written by Jews. There are no Gentile writings in the New Testament. Even your Messiah was a Jew. I think you are as blind as a bat.
Christianity ceased to be a Jewish sect a very long time ago. Use you sonar, and maybe you'll 'see' what I mean.
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