[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

Like the one casting out demons, Ray Comfort is for Christ and not against Him. So, I can't be against Ray.

If comfort was for Christ, he would preach the gospel that Jesus preached. He doesn't.

Mat 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by Lon

Yes and No, qualified:
Yes, he believed Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God.
No, he did not know at that point of the saving work about to take place.

Jesus already told Peter he was clean every whit. Are you claiming that Peter wasn't clean every whit?

What do you think happened on the cross, Lon?

[notreligus]

Originally Posted by elohiym

If comfort was for Christ, he would preach the gospel that Jesus preached. He doesn't.

Mat 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here we go again....This is the Gospel:

1Cor 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Cor 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

Compare that with this:

Luke 18:31 And taking the twelve, he said to them, "See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be accomplished.
Luke 18:32 For he will be delivered over to the Gentiles and will be mocked and shamefully treated and spit upon.
Luke 18:33 And after flogging him, they will kill him, and on the third day he will rise."
Luke 18:34 But they understood none of these things. This saying was hidden from them, and they did not grasp what was said.

Are you catching on?

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

Here we go again....This is the Gospel:

1Cor 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Cor 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Cor 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

No. That is not the gospel, but I can understand why you are confused. You've simply been taught half-truths.

The gospel is that we received the promise of the Holy Spirit through faith, which is the blessing of Abraham fulfilled (the good news).

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Neither you nor Ray mention the Holy Spirit in your gospel.

Originally Posted by notreligus

Are you catching on?

Are you?

[elohiym]

What Ray and some of you mean by "trust in Jesus" is really trust in an act of the law to receive grace.

It's intellectual legalism.

[notreligus]

Originally Posted by elohiym

No. That is not the gospel, but I can understand why you are confused. You've simply been taught half-truths.

The gospel is that we received the promise of the Holy Spirit through faith, which is the blessing of Abraham fulfilled (the good news).

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Neither you nor Ray mention the Holy Spirit in your gospel.



Are you?

I don't mention the Holy Spirit in "my" Gospel?? What is wrong with you? I didn't write the Bible.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ is not part of the Gospel. It is because of the finished work of Christ on the cross - the Gospel - that we are baptized by the Holy Spirit when we believe. You are putting too many doctrines into your blender.

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

I didn't write the Bible.

You didn't read it either.

Originally Posted by notreligus

The baptism of the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ is not part of the Gospel.

:squint:

Here is a primer on the gospel. Learn before you attempt to teach.

Originally Posted by notreligus

It is because of the finished work of Christ on the cross - the Gospel - that we are baptized by the Holy Spirit when we believe.

What do you think happened on the cross? What does it mean to you?

Originally Posted by notreligus

You are putting too many doctrines into your blender.

Actually, that is what you and Ray Comfort are doing. You're mixing law and grace, failing to understand the purpose of the cross and the Holy Spirit.

[notreligus]

Originally Posted by elohiym

What Ray and some of you mean by "trust in Jesus" is really trust in an act of the law to receive grace.

It's intellectual legalism.

Show me where I said that. I wish you would stop speaking untruths about what I am posting. Anyone can read what I have posted and I am not posting what you say that I am posting. Maybe Ray needs to run down the list of the ten commandments with you.

Also, show me in the Scriptures where anyone is said to be righteous without the righteousness of Christ. (I'm talking about after His death, burial and resurrection.) There is no human being who is reconciled before God Almighty without the shed blood of Christ as a covering for sin. Not one person is righteous on their own. Works account for zero when it comes to salvation. Now discipleship is another subject. Again, I think you are blenderizing the teachings of the Bible.

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by Oh no... it's Sozo

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, according to the promise of life in Christ Jesus"

"It is the Spirit that gives life"

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree " in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

"In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"

Therefore, the gospel is...

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[notreligus]

Originally Posted by elohiym

You didn't read it either.



:squint:

Here is a primer on the gospel. Learn before you attempt to teach.



What do you think happened on the cross? What does it mean to you?



Actually, that is what you and Ray Comfort are doing. You're mixing law and grace, failing to understand the purpose of the cross and the Holy Spirit.

You are falsely distorting what I have said. Christ's work on the cross is finished and final. I know precisely what He accomplished. Stop your lying and stating things that are not true.

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

Show me where I said that.

It's implicit in what you are saying. You can prove I'm correct by simply explaining what occurred on the cross and how that benefits you. Then I will explain how what you believe is mixing law and grace.

Originally Posted by notreligus

I wish you would stop speaking untruths about what I am posting.

You did write this:

Originally Posted by notreligus

The baptism of the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ is not part of the Gospel.

What you said is blatantly false. And I have shown you it is false, whether you will concede that or not.

Originally Posted by notreligus

Maybe Ray needs to run down the list of the ten commandments with you.

He's welcome to come and try.

Originally Posted by notreligus

There is no human being who is reconciled before God Almighty without the shed blood of Christ as a covering for sin.

See? There you go. Mixing law and grace.

Originally Posted by notreligus

Not one person is righteous on their own.

A meaningless statement without elaboration.

Originally Posted by notreligus

Works account for zero when it comes to salvation.

Then why is faith without works dead?

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

You are falsely distorting what I have said.

See above.

Now, either address my points and answer the questions I asked you or simply stop posting and read. You may just learn something.

You already have learned something new: that the gospel is we receive the Holy Spirit through faith.

[elohiym]

Originally Posted by notreligus

Christ's work on the cross is finished and final.

What do you think happened on the cross? What does it mean to you?

[elohiym]

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

How is the cross not an act of the law? How is it not a blood atonement sacrifice in accordance with the law?

And if the gospel is based on a promise, where does the cross fit in to your gospel?

[elohiym]

Lu 7:47-48 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

That's forgiveness before the cross. And there are more examples of that. So contrary to what some of you believe and teach, forgiveness is not conditional on the cross.

So what happened on the cross and why? How does it effect you?