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Hmm .. well, let's see. Good is good. That's pretty cool, ain't it? Good cannot be not good. [/QUOTE]
Depends on who decides what is "good".
W and the Vice thought waterboarding good.
Helen Thomas thinks sending Jews back to Poland and Germany is good.
I can guarantee that what Stripe thinks is good does not always match with what I think is good.
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June 8th, 2010, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stripe
Do we have a winner here? Are you going to be the first to admit that there is a possibility that A might not equal A?
I'll assert it. Depends on what you mean by A. Generally, the rules of logic are simply linguistic constructs, having to do with our grammar, not some universal asolute.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like bananas.
flies = flies, and don't = flies.
In short the concept of identity and difference is contextual.
No, it doesn't. No matter what A is, it is always A.
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Generally, the rules of logic are simply linguistic constructs, having to do with our grammar, not some universal absolute.
Evidence, please.
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Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like bananas.
flies = flies, and don't = flies.
:squint: If you want to talk grammar I suggest you learn some first. Needless to say, you can call two different things (a verb and a noun) the same thing, but that doesn't make one of them not itself. In both cases "flies" = "flies".
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In short the concept of identity and difference is contextual.
A is always equal to A. You can play word games all you like. Nothing changes what must be so.
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Evidence that cannot dispel all doubt is still evidence - perhaps very good and overwhelming evidence
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June 8th, 2010, 11:29 AM
It sounds like the final step of a proof in geometry to me
Simple logic.
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- Woody Allen
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Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
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Evidence that cannot dispel all doubt is still evidence - perhaps very good and overwhelming evidence
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June 8th, 2010, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gamera
I'll assert it. Depends on what you mean by A. Generally, the rules of logic are simply linguistic constructs, having to do with our grammar, not some universal asolute.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like bananas.
flies = flies, and don't = flies.
In short the concept of identity and difference is contextual.
Did you have trouble with math in school?
Futility: "More than at any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and hopelessness; the other, to total extinction. Let us pray that we will have the wisdom to choose correctly. I speak, by the way, not with any sense of futility, but with a panicky conviction of the absolute meaninglessness of existence."
- Woody Allen
Hope:
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
Philippians 4:6-8
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June 8th, 2010, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stripe
A is always equal to A. You can play word games all you like. Nothing changes what must be so.
Logic is a word game.
You might want to read Difference and Repetition by Deleuze, not to mention a little quantum physics, before you wander too far into this epistemological minefield
The Aristotelian law of identity and contradiction does not apply in quantum physics.
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#1 Everything is possible for God. #2 Nothing is impossible for God. Which one are we talking about?
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June 8th, 2010, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Stripe
A is always A no matter who decides what A is.
Intersting... I suppose it's just the word "always' that I have trouble with. So if "A" does not yet exist, then how do you solve for "A="? I think that just taking out the word, "always" solves the problem. But does that affect your point?
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Originally Posted by gamera
God isn't bound by logic, if that's what you're getting at.
hmmm. I might take exception to that. If God isn't bound by logic, then the statements, "God exists" and "God does not exist" can both be true. An atheist could also be a theist and could be correct on both counts. That doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm wrong.
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June 8th, 2010, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by desertfox
hmmm. I might take exception to that. If God isn't bound by logic, then the statements, "God exists" and "God does not exist" can both be true. An atheist could also be a theist and could be correct on both counts. That doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm wrong.
Exactly the conclusion Jean Luc Marion reached in "God Without Being."
God is not only transcends things, but Being. So in fact he doesn't exist. Not like a thing. God is not another thing in the universe. This is the onto-theological difference Heidegger recognized.
Can God create a boulder he can't lift? Yes, And then he can lift it. If God is ominpotent (transcendent), then the answer to anything about him is always, YES.
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