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You started talking about your invented god and you're accusing me of introducing the supernatural?
I think you need to go have a good lie down and think this through a bit better.
Try to think of something relevant and comprehensible to post while you're away.
Uh, no.
I can see why you hate logic.
I think it would help immensely if you understood the very simple concept introduced in the OP before you start trying to talk about anything else.
And this is what led you to want to introduce your invented deity?
You should quit being scared about what you don't know and investigate with clarity using what you do know.
Nothing you say makes the least bit of sense. I can only guess that the atheist would far rather dispense with all logic than open their eyes and risk seeing the truth.
Typical Stripe type nonsense non-replies but no more than I expected to be honest.
I said what I wanted to and if you don't want to know then that's your business, be wacko I really don't care.
Seemed to have missed this bit Stripe, still working on it were you?
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Honestly, Alwight. I don't know how hard you're trying here or what capacity you have to express yourself, but you've made it utterly impossible to respond with anything other than a dumbfounded stare. Please, try to just agree with what you agree with and do away with the fearful glances into the crystal ball.
Yes I probably have made it utterly impossible for you to respond coherently, and what’s more is you probably know it too, hence your cobbled-together drivel here.
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Reason: Changed "to" to "too"
Typical Stripe type nonsense non-replies but no more than I expected to be honest.
I said what I wanted to and if you don't want to know then that's your business, be wacko I really don't care.
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Seemed to have missed this bit Stripe, still working on it were you?
Yes I probably have made it utterly impossible for you to respond coherently, and what’s more is you probably know it to, hence your cobbled-together drivel here.
Is there any chance of us talking civilly?
I have posted simple, logical facts and am utterly dumbfounded by your responses. I do not know how I might reply without wholly disagreeing.
Do you think it is possible that you could put aside your fear of what I might say and agree with what I have said?
I have posted simple, logical facts and am utterly dumbfounded by your responses. I do not know how I might reply without wholly disagreeing.
Why do you not want to disagree?
I realise some of my post must have confused you, if you want, you could say what exactly that is, instead of being a smart arse.
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Do you think it is possible that you could put aside your fear of what I might say and agree with what I have said?
For the umpteenth time, in the natural world, excluding the supernatural, I agree, what is so problematical about that? If you don’t think there is a supernatural, simply ignore that bit.
P.S. What happened to your avatar it's just black?
I realise some of my post must have confused you, if you want, you could say what exactly that is
You bring up the supernatural and then accuse me of introducing the supernatural.
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For the umpteenth time, in the natural world, excluding the supernatural, I agree, what is so problematical about that? If you don’t think there is a supernatural, simply ignore that bit.
Do you think there is a supernatural?
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P.S. What happened to your avatar it's just black?
You bring up the supernatural and then accuse me of introducing the supernatural.
Did I "accuse" you of the supernatural? Sorry I think, were did I say you brought it up?
I sort of assume God is supernatural and that YECs tend to believe in God apparently.
I think there is more to life and existence than can be accounted for by matter and energy.
You're an atheist. Do you think that the apple in your hand is the apple in your hand? Or do you think there is some possibility that the apple in your hand is not the apple in your hand?
Please do not confuse this question by bringing up the possibility that you might be wrong. You might think it's an apple in your hand, but some clever mechanism is tricking you into believing an orange is an apple. If you're wrong then the item in your hand that you are wrong about should still be the item that you are wrong about.
Does A equal A, or is there a chance that A is not A for any given tangible noun?
I think there is more to life and existence than can be accounted for by matter and energy.
You're an atheist. Do you think that the apple in your hand is the apple in your hand? Or do you think there is some possibility that the apple in your hand is not the apple in your hand?
Please do not confuse this question by bringing up the possibility that you might be wrong. You might think it's an apple in your hand, but some clever mechanism is tricking you into believing an orange is an apple. If you're wrong then the item in your hand that you are wrong about should still be the item that you are wrong about.
Does A equal A, or is there a chance that A is not A for any given tangible noun?
I’m saying that for all intents and purposes yes A=A the apple in my hand is that apple, although you may not like the next bit so much.
However, I genuinely do have a small problem in that it is only an absolute imo in an abstract sense, and that a real apple could just conceivably be an illusion (brain in a vat), but this is only a minor technicality.
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June 9th, 2010, 11:26 AM
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I noticed you said this earlier:God cannot transcend himself. I agree God doesn't exist as a thing. If he did, he could not exist, because no thing can be infinite. Being infinite, God cannot be transcended, even by himself.
So then it's invalid to say, "God = a transcendental being who is both God and not God."
If God can't transcend himself, you're saying he's not omnipotent. So you're saying God is limited and hence not transcendant. A paradox.
Interesting. It appears logic is greater than God in your view.
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If there actually were two things mentioned, then of course they would not be the same thing. A logical preposition can only be true if it is valid and based on true axioms, or if it is a tautology. 'A=A' is congruent to 'just A'. Being a valid tautology, it is necessarily true.
Then don't say A = A, just say A. If you use "equals", you are comparing two things, a paradox much noted in rebutting the claim that the principle of idenity is universal.
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That's delving into sophistry, which you can wield against any claim whatsoever. We aren't talking about the letter A, but the concept behind it.
That makes my point (and Derrida's), not yours. If letter A stands for something else, which isn't there by definition, then you are discussing an absence. And so you claiming the identity of an absence. This isn't sophistry, it's the central problem of language which gets reified by logic such that logic claims it transcends language. It doesn't.
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You seem to be big into subjectivism or constructivism, while I am a positivist at heart. It would be interesting to discuss a bit of epistemology with you sometime.
I"m a postmodernist and love to discuss epistemology.
However, I genuinely do have a small problem in that it is only an absolute imo in an abstract sense, and that a real apple could just conceivably be an illusion (brain in a vat), but this is only a minor technicality.
Can you try to understand that this objection is irrelevant. That you are mistaken about the identity of an object does not change the fact that the object is the object. You've labelled it incorrectly, but it remains within the realm of what is logically possible. It still is what it is regardless of any trickery or ignorance on anyone's part.
Nope, I'm talking about the principle of identity which is rebutted by the proposition that A = nothingness. If you don't want to discuss your own topic, don't post it
A is not nothing. It is A.
Atheism turns perfectly good people's brains to mush.
What are you talking about?
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