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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 13th, 2010, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePresbyteers
That explains why the Jehovah Witness believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.
What angel told the JW's such fairy tales?
The secular world depicts the elect angels as big babies with wings or -at best- as celestial girlie men.
And the distinction between God's angels and pagan fairies decreases all the time !
None of which represents the Biblical depiction of elect angels !
Jesus likened them to warriors and army troops (Matthew 26:53).
So awesome is their mere appearance, humans tend to fall down before them (Revelation 19:10 and 22:8).
They aren't big babies, big sissies, or some kind of 'Christian fairies' !
There is a thread for the Christian disagreements on who was Jesus. Go do that on that thread.
He did give his possessions. He supported the cause and fed people with his resources and went broke at one point doing it. It got so bad to where he refused to eat and gave his portion of the food away to his hungry followers.
Yes, he was very selfless. He was never selfish.
Did you read my post?
I quoted something about his acts towards the poor and his humility: The Prophet showed civility, humility and modesty to all,
rich or poor, old or young. He preached humbleness to his
companions and demonstrated it by his actions. The Prophet is
reported to have said: “Shall I tell you about the inhabitants of
Paradise? They are very meek and humble persons. And shall I
tell you about the inmates of Hell? They are very ignoble, uncivil
and proud persons” (Bukhari, 2671)
The Qur'an commends "those who show their affection to such as came to them for refuge and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves"[34]
"None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[35]
"Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer; treat well as a neighbor the one who lives near you, that you may be a Muslim [one who submits to God]."[36]
"That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.”[36]
--Muhammad (pbuh)
Muhammad seemed to have two sides and was not consistent. He did wind up with lots of money, land, wives, power and a larg home.
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"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."-1 Cor. 10:31 KJV
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June 14th, 2010, 04:58 PM
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Which "Rocky" are we talking about, Marciano or Balboa?
If Balboa, then Ali wins by default because Balboa is a fictional character.
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I thought we were talking about Rocky the squirrel. Rocky Balboa is not a fictional character! I have seen him in the "original" Rocky 45 times, and in Rocky 2, Rocky 3, Rocky 4, Rocky 5, and.......
Do you think Mohammad Ali today, in his 70's, could beat "the pope?"
Saint John W
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I just wanted to share the truths about Muhammad (pbuh) as a person to clear up the false things said in slander. Remember to watch the documentary below, it is very educational about Islamic history, and what we Muslims think of Muhammad (pbuh) and the misconception about terrorism being an Islamic teaching--to Muslims it is offensive to be grouped with the actions of the extremist.
Quran 60:8- GOD does not forbid you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.[/color]
Let me be frank with you: I do not wish peace upon Mohammed. Islam, which he founded, is a blight upon the Earth.
And I am so pleased to hear that your god does not forbid you from befriending those outside your religion who do not actively hate Islam. Sadly, such effrontery is not unique. Jesus commanded his disciples to love their enemies and commented that even thieves love their own kind. I hope that one day you will understand for yourself the effrontery of the statement you quote above and that you will see light and truth in the face of Jesus, the one who said 'My yoke is easy and my burden light'.
Total Misanthropy. Uncertain salvation. Luck of the draw. Irresistible damnation. Persecution of the saints.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 14th, 2010, 05:26 PM
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Let me be frank with you: I do not wish peace upon Mohammed. Islam, which he founded, is a blight upon the Earth.
Well, I definitely believe in approaching others on the level they approach me on. So, let me be frank with you: I do not care what you wish, nor do I care what you approve. Judgment belongs to God, and I'll let him judge.
Now, if you are interested in learning about the prophet, ask away, if not that is fine too.
"Jesus commanded his disciples to love their enemies and commented that even thieves love their own kind."
If you truly believed that then you would not wish harm upon anyone, as you did to Muhammad (pbuh) as you said: I do not wish peace upon Mohammad.
Viper snake like kindness is not the love Jesus preached, nor would he have not wished peace upon anyone.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 14th, 2010, 05:33 PM
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Let alone that some of the disciples actually saw him die.
Which one saw him die? Name them, and see if all the gospels would agree. Two gospels can't even decide on which day he died on, let alone who was there. When all the gospels agree with the details of how this happened, and the details of after, then I'll agree with you on that; until then, it's your faith belief, and not mine. You take the dogma, and I'll take the teachings of Jesus (pbuh).
Which ones saw him die? Name them, and see if all the gospels would agree. Two gospels can't even decide on which day he died on, let alone who was there. When all the gospels agree with the details of how this happened, and the details of after, then I'll agree with you on that; until then, it's your faith belief, and not mine.
The contradiction between the Koran and truth, whether historical or moral, is yours to resolve. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself that it is someone else's. The Gospels are what they are, you can't expect them to change now. Islam does not pass the test of truth.
Total Misanthropy. Uncertain salvation. Luck of the draw. Irresistible damnation. Persecution of the saints.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 14th, 2010, 06:19 PM
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The contradiction between the Koran and truth, whether historical or moral, is yours to resolve.
It's been solved for me, I am a Muslim.
You take the dogma, and I'll take the teachings of Jesus (pbuh)
Truth is GOd, and he will inform us over that which we dispute.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 14th, 2010, 06:28 PM
5:48 Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws (shari'ah) and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.
You have your beliefs and I'll have mine. If the evidence was so strong, then those who once believed and went further in scholarship wouldn't fall from belief. Some continue to believe, and some see no reason to believe it anymore, so belief is subjective when it comes to faith based claims, and I'll wait for God to tell me if I'm wrong or not. The human sacrifice belief is of no value to me, and I have my reasons that made me turn from the belief in it's validity and necessity.
If you are secure in your belief in it, then why are why are we having this convo about it? Surely you're not convincing me.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 14th, 2010, 06:44 PM
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Muhammad seemed to have two sides and was not consistent. He did wind up with lots of money, land, wives, power and a larg home.
Why did he not call God father or shepherd?
Muhammad was selfless, and gave his all and went broke doing so. You need to read up on Muhammad, instead of asserting things. Muhammad was no selfish person, and he made sure everyone had what they needed. IF you take time to read about him, then you would know his beliefs concerning wealth and taking care of one another. If you even read the words within his farewell sermon, then it would answer that question.
Coming from someone whose religion places so much emphasis on giving and getting financial reward from God, what is the bases of your argument?
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