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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 15th, 2010, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Memento Mori
Regardless of the contents of the Quran, the people often use the book to defend their actions.
Your situation determines your socialization and your socialization determines your views (for the most part).
This sums it up. These things are done regardless of what the book says. A persons situation and associations can influence their actions.
The point is just that: Separate it from being an Islamic thing as if it is taught to us by our religion, and realize it can stem from other things. I have no problem with blame being pointed where and at those who do these things; what I do have a problem with, is when people try to tell me that I am taught this by my religion, because it says Muslim=Terrorist, and that makes for prejudice.
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Daniel 2:35 NKJV "And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth."
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June 15th, 2010, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Non-Excluvistic
As part of my dialogue with non-Muslims, I will continue to post Info from the Muslim world presenting our position, showing what we think about violence in the name of Islam. Often, the view in the West is that we Muslims do not speak out against the violence. Westerners don't hear Muslims speak out, nor do they hear the cry for help against the hijackers of the faith of over 1 billion. Western media seems to not present this picture as much as they present the violence, so I will do my best to post programs from Islamic TV and other places to show what we really think.
The vast majority of Muslims are educated, peace loving, friendly people. But the Qur'an that they fanatically support teaches two contradictory things: "have no compulsion in religion" (Surah 2:256) and "kill the pagans" (Surah 9:5). This is at the root of the problem.
I think Non-Excluvistic has some things we ought to really try listening to. I think we're extraordinarily fortunate to have him with us to have these discussions.
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 15th, 2010, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
I think Non-Excluvistic has some things we ought to really try listening to. I think we're extraordinarily fortunate to have him with us to have these discussions.
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Of course you realize this means war! ~ Bugs Bunny
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June 15th, 2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by zoo22
I think Non-Excluvistic has some things we ought to really try listening to. I think we're extraordinarily fortunate to have him with us to have these discussions.
Yep, I agree. Thankfully, he doesn't appear to be like Abu ...
"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated." ~ George Bernard Shaw
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Never be haughty to the humble; never be humble to the haughty.
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June 15th, 2010, 09:13 AM
I wonder if any Muslims considered firebombing when they discovered the terrorist was a Christian.
Just after 9/11 I was in a Blockbuster store with my daughter when a woman in her 20s said to me; "that is a very good film, you should see it." She struck up a conversation, and it turned out she was a Muslim, and terrified that people would hurt her or her family. I was the first non-Muslim she talked to about it.
I could only assure her that I didn't think that way, and I thought most Americans were better than that. I told her my prayers would include her and her family, but I don't think it helped much.
I live in Israel, and have personally suffered from extremist Islamic terrorism. despite this I somehow manage to avoid generalizing about Muslims, though many here do. Generalizing is an easy way out. Why bother thinking if it can be avoided?
If one or even just a few Muslims commit acts of terror, it could be called the exception, rather than the norm. As you've mentioned, Muslims were responsible for the terrorism you've suffered, and simply saying that they're Islamic is a generalization, whether you realize it or not. We have recognized a worldwide pattern, due to the large number of terror attacks attributable to Muslims, and confirmation of same being the norm due to such acts as the uprisings when some cartoons were published. We don't have to be hit over the head to recognize that Islam is evil. The stated goal of Hamas, to push Israel into the sea, and the solidarity of every Muslim around the world with these criminals is simply wrong. They're not trustworthy, and only make a show of religion.
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 15th, 2010, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chair
I live in Israel, and have personally suffered from extremist Islamic terrorism. despite this I somehow manage to avoid generalizing about Muslims, though many here do. Generalizing is an easy way out. Why bother thinking if it can be avoided?
Thank you for not generalizing and realizing that Islam and terror are not equal terms, nor is Muslim and terrorist equal terms.
If one or even just a few Muslims commit acts of terror, it could be called the exception, rather than the norm. As you've mentioned, Muslims were responsible for the terrorism you've suffered, and simply saying that they're Islamic is a generalization, whether you realize it or not. We have recognized a worldwide pattern, due to the large number of terror attacks attributable to Muslims, and confirmation of same being the norm due to such acts as the uprisings when some cartoons were published. We don't have to be hit over the head to recognize that Islam is evil. The stated goal of Hamas, to push Israel into the sea, and the solidarity of every Muslim around the world with these criminals is simply wrong. They're not trustworthy, and only make a show of religion.
I guess Jews are sensitive to where bigotry can lead.
This sums it up. These things are done regardless of what the book says. A persons situation and associations can influence their actions.
The point is just that: Separate it from being an Islamic thing as if it is taught to us by our religion, and realize it can stem from other things. I have no problem with blame being pointed where and at those who do these things; what I do have a problem with, is when people try to tell me that I am taught this by my religion, because it says Muslim=Terrorist, and that makes for prejudice.
Of course. I believe I had a recent discussion with another about this very subject.
So, good on ya.
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I guess Jews are sensitive to where bigotry can lead.
I can imagine. I believe the treatment you've received has helped form your character in many ways. Too bad some people (often entire cultures) respond to hardship by deciding to violate the rule of law.
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7
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Why be religiously bias and hateful? We should learn to be more patient and loving to one another; patience and love are my Jihads (struggles).
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June 19th, 2010, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chair
I guess Jews are sensitive to where bigotry can lead.
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