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Christianity is Under Attack Pt VII -
July 10th, 2010, 07:35 AM
[An excerpt Christianity Is Under Attack by Ken Ham] “…One of the reasons why creationists have such difficulty in talking to certain evolutionists is because of the way bias has affected the way they hear what we are saying. They already have preconceived ideas about what we do and do not believe. They have prejudices about what they want to understand in regard to our scientific qualifications, and so on.
There are many examples of evolutionists who have totally misunderstood or misinterpreted what creationists are saying. They hear us through their “evolutionary ears,” not comprehending in the slightest the perspective from which we are coming. As creationists, we understand that God created a perfect world, man fell into sin, the world was cursed, God sent Noah’s flood as judgment, and Jesus Christ came to die and be raised from the dead to restore all things.
In other words, our message is one of creation, Fall, and redemption. However, because evolutionists are used to thinking in “uniformitarian” terms (i.e., basically the world we see today—the world of death and struggle—has gone on for millions of years), they do not understand this creationist perspective of history.
An interesting example came when Dr. Gary Parker was debating a professor from LaTrobe University in Victoria, Australia. One of the evolutionist’s “refutations” of creation centered around his assertion that there were too many imperfections in the world to have been made by a Creator. This particular evolutionist would not understand, even after it was clearly presented, that the world we are looking at today is not the same world that God created because of the effects of the Fall and flood. To understand the creation/evolution issue correctly, one must have a complete understanding of the beliefs adhered to by both creationists and evolutionists.
In another example, an evolutionist biologist said that if God made all the animals during the fifth and sixth days of creation, why don’t we find parakeets and mice in the Cambrian strata alongside trilobites? Dr. Parker then explained that parakeets and mice do not live in the same environment as the trilobites. Dr. Parker explained to this scientist that the fossil record should be seen in terms of the sorting action of a worldwide flood. Because animals and plants live in different areas, they would have been trapped in sediments representative of their particular environment. Again, we see bias causing a misunderstanding that so many have of the creationist position.
The reader needs to be aware that, when we discuss creation/evolution, in both instances we are talking about beliefs, that is, religion. The controversy is not religion versus science, as the evolutionists try to make it out. It is religion versus religion, the science of one religion versus the science of the other.
Evolution is a religious position that makes human opinion supreme. As we shall see, its fruits (because of rejection of the Creator and Lawgiver) are lawlessness, immorality, impurity, abortion, racism, and a mocking of God. Creation is a religious position based on the Word of God, and its fruits (through God’s Spirit) are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. The creation/evolution issue (is God Creator?) is the crux of the problems in our society today. It is the fundamental issue with which Christians must come to grips. The creation/evolution issue is where the battle really rages.” Full text: Christianity Is Under Attack by Ken Ham.
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July 10th, 2010, 08:44 AM
Because SD feels a need to beat us over the head with the same moronic statements of Ken Ham over and over again.
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In another example, an evolutionist biologist said that if God made all the animals during the fifth and sixth days of creation, why don’t we find parakeets and mice in the Cambrian strata alongside trilobites? Dr. Parker then explained that parakeets and mice do not live in the same environment as the trilobites.
Well gee then why don't we find modern bony fish, or recognizably modern crustaceans, whale bones or anything else that might have "lived alongside" trilobites hmm?
Why doesn't Ham show us an example of that? Oh because there AREN'T any.
These sorts of creatures certainly live in the same environment today. NOTHING explains the sorting of the fossil record other than evolution (or progressive creation if you like). YEC has no answer for the fossil record. Despite what the AiG minions claim.
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
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July 10th, 2010, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by serpentdove
Ad hominem.
No kiddo . . . I said his statements were moronic, not him. Anyone can say something stupid.
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Can scientists misinterpret data?
Can people misinterpret the Bible?
Do you think thousands of scientists for hundreds of years have all consistently misinterpreted the data the same way? There have been local flood theorists since long before there was scientific data. (Same thing with people looking at the creation story in a non-literal way)
Why do you assume the thousands of experts, that spend their entire lives studying the data (many of whom are Christians) are wrong and your cursory reading of the flood story is right?
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
What's yours? and I mean YOURS not a cut and paste.
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
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July 10th, 2010, 12:11 PM
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Don't they have a handy ignore button for your use? Isn't that what you do with God anyway?
That still wouldn't stop the ongoing saga of your myriad threads from showing up. Why do you complain about ad homs when you do it yourself and why do you continually sin by lying about people in your signature hypocrite?
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