Calvinism / Religion, Perverts the Character of God
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The scripture says that God has reconciled the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Sin, death and devil have been overcome and defeated. Jesus is victorious over all things. All things are under him.
The only ones that are going to hell are those who do not believe that Jesus is Lord of all.
Jesus said unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins. I think he was talking about his Lordship.
If all sins have been dealt with by Jesus on the cross, how can anyone "Die in their sins?"
The real problem you have in your belief system is that you want Jesus to take away all sin, and then have to invent a new sin to allow for some going to hell. And if Jesus dealt with all sin, he dealt with the one you propose to deal with the fact that some indeed do go to hell. Or you have to deal with the fact that some sinless people go to hell.
Seems a lot better to hold with scripture that God has chosen some from the foundation of the world to call and be saved based on the finished work of Christ.
The Reformed system may have some problems but it is the best system out there to make the most sense of the most scripture.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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July 24th, 2010, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother Ducky
If all sins have been dealt with by Jesus on the cross, how can anyone "Die in their sins?"
The real problem you have in your belief system is that you want Jesus to take away all sin, and then have to invent a new sin to allow for some going to hell. And if Jesus dealt with all sin, he dealt with the one you propose to deal with the fact that some indeed do go to hell. Or you have to deal with the fact that some sinless people go to hell.
Seems a lot better to hold with scripture that God has chosen some from the foundation of the world to call and be saved based on the finished work of Christ.
The Reformed system may have some problems but it is the best system out there to make the most sense of the most scripture.
If your doctrine does not promote the Lordship of Jesus Christ you should scrap it.
The reason that Jesus is at the right hand of God in heaven is because he has overcome and has defeated sin, death and the devil. Acts 2:36 says that because of this God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
He has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. To reconcile the world unto God takes some mighty doings. By his life, death and resurrection he has overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil.
God now sees all of humanity as perfect in Christ. Of course we know that not all of humanity is in Christ, not because of the work of Christ but because they do not believe in Christ. In the judgment the unbelievers will have their sins imputed back to them, they will be found guilty of sin and will be condemned to hell.
If your doctrine does not promote the Lordship of Jesus Christ you should scrap it.
The reason that Jesus is at the right hand of God in heaven is because he has overcome and has defeated sin, death and the devil. Acts 2:36 says that because of this God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
He has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. To reconcile the world unto God takes some mighty doings. By his life, death and resurrection he has overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil.
God now sees all of humanity as perfect in Christ. Of course we know that not all of humanity is in Christ, not because of the work of Christ but because they do not believe in Christ. In the judgment the unbelievers will have their sins imputed back to them, they will be found guilty of sin and will be condemned to hell.
It hard for me to believe that anyone who was aware of what Reformed theology is about would ever begin to think that the Lordship of Christ is not promoted.
So the death of Christ just blinds God to the very real sins of those who are "unbelievers?" And when he finds this out he sends them to hell, despite the atoning work of Christ for them as part of "all men?"
God now sees all of humanity as perfect in Christ.
The elect , but God does not see satan and his seed perfect in Christ.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
If all sins have been dealt with by Jesus on the cross, how can anyone "Die in their sins?"
Because those who die in their sins, Their sins were not dealt with at the cross of Christ, its impossible.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
In the judgment the unbelievers will have their sins imputed back to them,
Another doctrine of the devil. Those who die as unbelievers never had their sins imputed to Christ, thats why they remain unbelievers, because they were condemned already.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
pates religion perverts the character of God, he is promoting that Gods Justice was satisfied for all the sins of mankind, but then when some do not perform conditions or believe, then God will not be satisfied any more for that persons sins, and impute them back to that person in the judgment.
Thats a false god who cannot make up his mind if he is satisfied for a persons sins or not.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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July 24th, 2010, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by beloved57
pates religion perverts the character of God, he is promoting that Gods Justice was satisfied for all the sins of mankind, but then when some do not perform conditions or believe, then God will not be satisfied any more for that persons sins, and impute them back to that person in the judgment.
Thats a false god who cannot make up his mind if he is satisfied for a persons sins or not.
The only guide that we have for doctrine is the bible.
If you are trying to prove something without scripture you are just blowing hot air.
God justifies the ungodly by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, Romans 4:5.
God has reconciled the world unto himself by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19. also Romans 5:19.
God has put to death sinful humanity in Jesus Christ and has brought it back to life in Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:22, also 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Jesus Christ has fulfilled the law and has atoned for the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2.
Salvation is solely dependent upon the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:14.
Jesus Christ is victorious over sin, death, and the devil, Hebrews 1:3.
He is above all things. All things are under him, Hebrews 2:8.
Salvation always has been, and always will be, by grace through faith.
Your Calvinist religion is worthless.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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July 24th, 2010, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Ducky
It hard for me to believe that anyone who was aware of what Reformed theology is about would ever begin to think that the Lordship of Christ is not promoted.
So the death of Christ just blinds God to the very real sins of those who are "unbelievers?" And when he finds this out he sends them to hell, despite the atoning work of Christ for them as part of "all men?"
A limited atonement does not promote the Lordship of Christ. It undermines it. Jesus Christ by his life, death and resurrection has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
A limited atonement does not promote the Lordship of Christ. It undermines it. Jesus Christ by his life, death and resurrection has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Would you feel better if it were more commonly referred to as "Particular Atonement?" In other words, Christ atoned for particular people and not for others?
The Lordship of Christ is promoted with particular atonement because all he died for are indeed saved. How can the Lordship of Jesus be promoted by my being able to override his atoning work on the cross?
The only guide that we have for doctrine is the bible.
If you are trying to prove something without scripture you are just blowing hot air.
God justifies the ungodly by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, Romans 4:5.
God has reconciled the world unto himself by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19. also Romans 5:19.
God has put to death sinful humanity in Jesus Christ and has brought it back to life in Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:22, also 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Jesus Christ has fulfilled the law and has atoned for the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2.
Salvation is solely dependent upon the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:14.
Jesus Christ is victorious over sin, death, and the devil, Hebrews 1:3.
He is above all things. All things are under him, Hebrews 2:8.
Salvation always has been, and always will be, by grace through faith.
Your Calvinist religion is worthless.
Get ready for Judgment day, for it looks more like God created you for destruction.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Slogan/motto:
Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
Reputation:
July 25th, 2010, 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Ducky
Would you feel better if it were more commonly referred to as "Particular Atonement?" In other words, Christ atoned for particular people and not for others?
The Lordship of Christ is promoted with particular atonement because all he died for are indeed saved. How can the Lordship of Jesus be promoted by my being able to override his atoning work on the cross?
Particular atonement is foreign to the bible. There is no scripture that says Christ atoned for a particular people. There is no scripture that says any one has been predestinated to heaven or to hell.
You cannot be a bible believing Christian and condone false doctrine.
The scripture makes it clear that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19, also, John 12:47, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14. Plus many other scriptures. If you are going to deny what these scriptures are saying then you are NOT a bible believing Christian.
The scripture makes it clear that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19, also, John 12:47, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14. Plus many other scriptures. If you are going to deny what these scriptures are saying then you are NOT a bible believing Christian.
The world of the elect, He did not reconcile the devil and his seed.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The only guide that we have for doctrine is the bible.
Which you pervert to your destruction.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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