Open question: How does Christianity explain Islam from prophecy standpoint?
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Nazaroo:The name of the general who led British forces was General Allenby, which in Arabic means "Prophet of God".
Not quite.. the word Nabi means prophet (as it does in the Bible also), doesn't mean 'of God', simply prophet.
Again you show you are just a poor reader with low comprehension:
His full name, Allenby, (not 'nabi') = "Alla- Nebi" 'God-prophet'.
Your attempt to eliminate "Alla" from "Allenby" is sad, if deliberate, and inept if accidental.
peace
Nazaroo
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
This question seems to be an important one, just as tagging Hitler and WWII in the prophecy-timetable of the Bible is.
On the face of it, some things seem out of sync:
If the "1,000 year reign with Christ" began way back in 300 A.D.
It didn't. So the rest doesn't matter. He cast Israel away and blinded them until the fullness of the gentiles comes in.
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 Just as it is written:
“ God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day
9 And David says:
“ Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
It matters not how years were calculated, accurately or inaccurately, or what calendar was supposedly used by whom, to do the calculation.
In order for prophecy to be fulfilled, and be seen to be fulfilled with certainty, we must go by what people believed was the year at the time the prophecy was fulfilled before their eyes.
As it happens, every muslim in the Middle East understood the year 1917 to be 1335, as printed on nearly every coin circulating from Morocco to Bagdad. http://adultera.awardspace.com/AC/1917coinage.html
Daniel's prophecy was well-known in Jerusalem at the time of Allenby's advance, and expectations were already high, with excitement among Jews in the Middle East, and concern among muslims at this time.
This was the very reason the Turks ran without a fight. They were spooked by the prophecy, which was discussed in every Turkish coffee house from Jerusalem to Istanbul.
This also proves that the prophecy is a real miracle, since no matter what date is assigned to Daniel, he couldn't have known a whole new calendar would be adopted in the Middle East, and no one could have controlled this or predicted the attack by the British in 1917, back in 150 B.C.
This is similar to the alleged "prophecy fixing" concerning Cyrus by Jews. In this case however, it is impossible to demonstrate this 2000 year old prophecy was 'rigged', by anyone.
The Book of Daniel is the word of God.
peace
Nazaroo
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Last edited by Nazaroo; July 21st, 2010 at 10:48 AM.
Why don't you explain your theory concerning Daniel's prophecies and their fulfillment, since that is what this thread is all about. And back it up with some verifiable historical facts, like I have.
peace
Nazaroo
"But if anyone, even an angel from heaven,
were to preach any other gospel than that of
Jesus the Christ, crucified, buried, and
raised from the dead by God the Father,
to deliver us from this present evil world,
let that false preacher be accursed.' (Gal 1:1-4,8-9)
Why don't you explain your theory concerning Daniel's prophecies and their fulfillment, since that is what this thread is all about. And back it up with some verifiable historical facts, like I have.
peace
Nazaroo
it is not easy getting the facts out of him
and
when you do finally get them
Daniel is not fulfilled, it was cut off after the 69th week. Are you not paying attention?
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Originally Posted by Nick M
It didn't. So the rest doesn't matter. He cast Israel away and blinded them until the fullness of the gentiles comes in.
Romans 11
7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 Just as it is written:
“ God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day
9 And David says:
“ Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Prophecy regarding a kingdom is conditional. It doesn't have to come to pass.
Slogan/motto:
Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
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July 21st, 2010, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nazaroo
Islam could be explained as the "False Prophet" and the "Beast"...
The beast that the harlot rides is symbolic for oligarchy, not Islam.
As it happens, every muslim in the Middle East understood the year 1917 to be 1335, as printed on nearly every coin circulating from Morocco to Bagdad.
I can't seem to follow anyone's math on this topic. The current Islamic year is 1431 (from 18 December 2009 to 6 December 2010). You say that in 1917 the Islamic year was 1335. 1917 was 93 years ago. 1431 minus 93 equals 1338, but the Islamic year you are calling for is 1335. None of this adds up quite right.
I can't seem to follow anyone's math on this topic. The current Islamic year is 1431 (from 18 December 2009 to 6 December 2010). You say that in 1917 the Islamic year was 1335. 1917 was 93 years ago. 1431 minus 93 equals 1338, but the Islamic year you are calling for is 1335. None of this adds up quite right.
Slogan/motto:
For as much as it depends on you, live at peace with others.
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July 21st, 2010, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nazaroo
What a worthless post.
Why don't you explain your theory concerning Daniel's prophecies and their fulfillment, since that is what this thread is all about. And back it up with some verifiable historical facts, like I have.
peace
Nazaroo
All it takes is half a brain and a good understanding of the English language to read the bible.. its all there in black and white.
Daniel has been fullfilled and so has Revelations... which is pretty much the historical view Christians held for centuries.
Futurists like you arose in the 1700-1800's and the eschatology was invented by pretty unscrupulous men like Darby and Schofield (an adulteror and convicted thief who spent time in prison).
It boggles my mind how people love to turn the bible into some sort of National Inquirer to satisfy their desire for sensationalism. The only early church father that might possibly support Iraneous... but we know he was wrong on many things... and I wouldn't build my entire understanding of prophesy on what he had to say.. after all the scriptures warn us about the likes of him.
The first 69 weeks of Dan. 9 have been fulfilled. Other prophetic chapters have also been fulfilled. The 70th week for his people Israel is the yet future Tribulation before the visible Second Coming of Christ. There is a gap between the 69-70th week, the interadvent period, the mystery of the Church Age (from first coming to rapture at start of Trib). This period (Trib) is described in Rev. 6-19 (yet future). We are in the gap now.
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
The beast that the harlot rides is symbolic for oligarchy, not Islam.
Rev. 17-18 is the future false political and religious system. Apostate religion can include Islam, nominal, liberal Christianity, cults, etc. It is not just Catholicism (nor is pope the Antichrist).
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
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