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H.R.5741 - Universal National Service Act -
July 27th, 2010, 09:18 PM
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To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, and for other purposes.
What do ya'll think?
IMO, NO.
The federal government demands too much fealty as it is, in exchange for more corruption and favoring the wealthy.
This ain't Starship Troopers.
Now at the MUNICIPAL level? Sure.
Get people involved with their COMMUNITY, helping make where they actually live a better place?
Absolutely.
Especially in mentor programs for young kids, and police and fire departments.
Plus, I'd be exempt, coming up on my third year as a librarian.
Manly men shelve books.
"In light of all God has forgiven me, who am I to sit in judgment of someone else?"
-Steve Hendrix
...oh, if only all "Christians" online could apply James 1:19.
Um, what part of the 13th amendment do these people not understand?
“Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
The true National Debt of the United States is $18.964 Trillion. Therefore, our debt as a percentage of GDP is really 130%. This is beyond the level reached during World War II. We are no longer the manufacturer to the world. We are the consumer to the world. The country adds $4 Billion per day to the National Debt.
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July 28th, 2010, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by drbrumley
Um, what part of the 13th amendment do these people not understand?
“Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
Okay, I'm curious. First off, so long as the 13th amendment stands then I absolutely agree with you here. In fact, I wonder at how the draft is even justified. "Nor involuntary servitude" seems pretty clear to me.
But...why do we have the 13th amendment? Does it do us any good? A military draft, if it's needed, or even more, compulsory military service of some sort, seems to make sense to me. Yet...at the same time, running a country according to what makes sense to me...doesn't.
It's obvious a lot of folks absolutely reject the whole general idea and I'm just curious why exactly. Thinking it over I assume it's just the slippery slope argument here. Not to mention, as a conservative, I happen to think it very wise to give the government as little power and authority as possible. Anything more than absolutely necessary to fulfill it's very limited range of duties is just too much. Is there something else I'm missing here though?
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July 27th, 2010, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzword
What do ya'll think?
IMO, NO.
The federal government demands too much fealty as it is, in exchange for more corruption and favoring the wealthy.
This ain't Starship Troopers.
Now at the MUNICIPAL level? Sure.
Get people involved with their COMMUNITY, helping make where they actually live a better place?
Absolutely.
Especially in mentor programs for young kids, and police and fire departments.
Plus, I'd be exempt, coming up on my third year as a librarian.
Manly men shelve books.
This sounds like the "draft" covered up by "politic speak" .
The whole thing is very troubling. I foresee a day when we will look back and say, "Remember when people used to volunteer to help out in the community? I wonder what that felt like!"
Last week my son-in-law, who works for Sprint, was forced to do a day's worth of "volunteer" work for the Habitat for Humanity. "What's wrong with that," you might ask? Well, it certainly didn't feel like he was volunteering. He's the kind of guy who enjoys giving back to the community. He donates blood on a regular basis and has been hoping to become a volunteer firefighter.
Because this was a mandatory assignment, he was robbed of the feeling that normally comes with volunteer work. I thought volunteer work was supposed to voluntary.
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
Galatians 5:13-15
The whole thing is very troubling. I foresee a day when we will look back and say, "Remember when people used to volunteer to help out in the community? I wonder what that felt like!"
Last week my son-in-law, who works for Sprint, was forced to do a day's worth of "volunteer" work for the Habitat for Humanity. "What's wrong with that," you might ask? Well, it certainly didn't feel like he was volunteering. He's the kind of guy who enjoys giving back to the community. He donates blood on a regular basis and has been hoping to become a volunteer firefighter.
Because this was a mandatory assignment, he was robbed of the feeling that normally comes with volunteer work. I thought volunteer work was supposed to voluntary.
Yeah. That's like the public schools now. In order to graduate, the students have to do a semester of "volunteer" work. It doesn't matter who they work for (church, city, nursing home, etc...). But, I call this mandatory "volunteer" work.
All complaints and insults will be ignored in the order they are received.
The whole thing is very troubling. I foresee a day when we will look back and say, "Remember when people used to volunteer to help out in the community? I wonder what that felt like!"
Last week my son-in-law, who works for Sprint, was forced to do a day's worth of "volunteer" work for the Habitat for Humanity. "What's wrong with that," you might ask? Well, it certainly didn't feel like he was volunteering. He's the kind of guy who enjoys giving back to the community. He donates blood on a regular basis and has been hoping to become a volunteer firefighter.
Because this was a mandatory assignment, he was robbed of the feeling that normally comes with volunteer work. I thought volunteer work was supposed to voluntary.
What she said!
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August 1st, 2010, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Prisca
Because this was a mandatory assignment, he was robbed of the feeling that normally comes with volunteer work. I thought volunteer work was supposed to voluntary.
I agree that mandatory volunteer work is an oxymoron, but I don't know if I agree that someone can be robbed of the feeling that normally comes with doing the work voluntarily. If it's work that he wanted to do and did it gladly I don't see how the fact that it was mandatory should diminish that. If anything, pride is what is robbed because he can't say that he did it voluntarily. Or, to be less strong, the potential for pride is gone.
The idea is similar to the New Deal, where CCC boys originated, where many who couldn't find a job ended up, and many of whom ended up serving in the military when WWII broke out. I like the way Switzerland, Israel and many other countries require military service, and believe we'd have a much better military and nation, should service be required of all able-bodied persons. It isn't slavery, but a privilege. It is our God-given duty to protect the sovereignty of our nation's government from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Those who think of it as slavery simply aren't thinking.
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7
The fact that security and gun-crime rates are very low in countries that require military service. The fact that an all-volunteer military service, in a country which accepts queers into the military will (most likely) become a military made of mostly queers. I, for one, wouldn't want to serve in the military, made of only volunteers, where queers are accepted. One where all citizens are required to perform military service would assure that their numbers would NOT be disproportionate. Keep in mind that the current writing of the debated house bill contains a voluntary military, because 'draftees' would be given a choice of where they work: military or civilian service. I should think that the majority of queers would select civilian service.
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7
I think it should be limited to kids coming through the college years as part of their civic education. That's why I joined Key Club in HS and Americorps after. If you haven't learned the lesson by then you aren't really going to. I'd set a two year window on the service and create a credit for college tied into it.
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Plus, I'd be exempt, coming up on my third year as a librarian.
I see yout librarianship and raise you several years as a poverty lawyer. My wife is a librarian. Cool gig and much harder and more involved than people realize...and underpaid.
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July 28th, 2010, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Town Heretic
I think it should be limited to kids coming through the college years as part of their civic education. That's why I joined Key Club in HS and Americorps after. If you haven't learned the lesson by then you aren't really going to. I'd set a two year window on the service and create a credit for college tied into it.
I see yout librarianship and raise you several years as a poverty lawyer. My wife is a librarian. Cool gig and much harder and more involved than people realize...and underpaid.
Weeding is fundamental.
Poverty Lawer?
Did "poverty" describe the form of your Practice or the quality of it?
Just wondering.
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My wife is a librarian. Cool gig and much harder and more involved than people realize...and underpaid. 
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