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Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
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August 2nd, 2010, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aSeattleConserv
Don't you have anti death penalty candlelight vigil that you need to be at?
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“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
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August 2nd, 2010, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse
I've usually found those who accuse straight people of being homosexuals are themselves faggots.
How ironic
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
You asked, I answered. If you have such trouble accepting the answer then I wonder why you asked. Odd, I think, that if I'd answered, "Yes, you should die, you nasty little homo you!" you'd have apparently been more comfortable with that answer. And what does that suggest?
I never said that I have trouble accepting it, I'm rather amused by it actually.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Good. Then after asking this question so many times the answer is finally sinking in. It's the truth and it's the same answer you're going to get every single time. By all means, keeping asking though. As long as you do then I think there's still hope for you.
There's hope for me and it's sinking in because you are predictable? If you say so.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
...there's a condition in there, P66. Come on, now.
Here's a law. All you have to do to avoid the punishment for breaking that law is not break that law. Unless you're participating in this forum from a prison library somewhere this shouldn't be a foreign concept to you.
But it's a very unjust law. And it's not even a real law.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
I grieve the necessity of the law. All of them, really. You're really having trouble getting that?
What is the necessity of the law? Why do people have to be put to death in a cruel and barbaric manner for something that does not harm anyone?
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Of course it isn't. It makes perfect sense.
Make sense of it for me, then. Please. The Bible is the most ridiculous piece of literature I have ever read.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Christianity's been around a long, long time and billions upon billions have found this foundation of Christianity not only quite reasonable but joyful. You just need to characterize as "sick" to rationalize your rejection of it.
Hardly, I see it for what it is.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
But, honestly, if you insist on rejecting Christ then you should be bold about it. Don't make excuses, especially lame ones like this. Let the example you set with your damnation be clear. Just as someone being executed under this law would be absolutely terrible, it would at least serve as a good example to others. You should let your damnation serve likewise.
Mary, there's a long list of reasons why I reject your silly myths, that was only one that seemed relevant at the time.
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I still hold that it'd be better for you to accept Christ and reject your perversity.
And reject science and even reality itself along with it?
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
But, barring that, at least your destruction can serve as a warning to others.
My destruction? Please elaborate. Is God going to open up the Earth and swallow me whole? Strike me down with lightning? Summon the flying monkeys to attack me?
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Justice.
Were the Jews slaughtered by the Nazis justice?
Were the early Christians that were fed to lions by the Romans justice?
Considering that abortion is legal in modern day America, is a woman having her child killed and ripped apart by an abortion doctor an act of justice?
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
"Honestly", you say? You really want me to believe you're not getting this? You really can't understand the idea of supporting a law you wish wasn't necessary?
It does sound rather silly. Though I'm still not seeing the necessity of it to begin with.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
I feel the same way about every good law. What are the alternatives here? Supporting laws we don't think are necessary? Supporting laws that criminalize things we support?
How about supporting laws that have a just cause? It's not that difficult for even you to understand.
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Originally Posted by MaryContrary
Then...go to hell, I guess. Point is, in case you've forgotten already...it's you're choice. No ones making you go and we'd all rather you didn't. And if you're dead set on it, quite making excuses and blaming everyone else.
Who am I blaming and what am I making excuses for? I live in the real world. In the real world Hell is a city in Norway, and from what I understand, a pretty nice one. I do want to visit there someday.
You should join us in the real world Mary, it will make you a better person. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, it's made you a delusional whack-job.
You can't advocate such a law and hide behind peripheral matters like hoping that it will simply be a deterant and relying on the inadequacy of the legal system to make the death toll smaller.
You demonstrate the real danger of religion. You faithfully rely on an ancient text as your moral authority so much so that you somehow make obvious murder acceptable. Very sad.
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Leave nothing, but footprints
Kill nothing, but time
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August 3rd, 2010, 11:04 PM
I am just coming into this forum's thread. This critique is primarily for the Christians in this thread. Execute homosexuals? That is insane and evil. I am a Christian and I do consider homosexuality to be sin, and all sin is evil. But, to commit one evil (murder) to rectify another evil (homosexuality) is at best insane at worst evil. How can you call yourselves Christians if you advocate murder. Are you following in the foot steps of the murderers of Christians in the first three centuries, namely the Romans? Or are you following in the footsteps of Hitler in "Christian" Germany to eradicate the Jews? You need to reread your Bible. We are call to preach the Good News of the Love of God and salvation through His Son, Jesus. We all called to be peacemakers not murderers. God is Love. The Apostle John said "He who does not love, does not know God." You should be praying for and witnessing to homosexuals as well as with anyone else who does not know Christ.
"But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing." James 3:8-10
"The glory of God is man fully alive."
---Irenaeus
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“Theist and atheist: The fight between them is as to whether God shall be called God or shall have some other name” S.B.
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August 4th, 2010, 09:05 AM
Que the OT quote mining from the reconstructionists..........
wait for it......wait for it.......
God is not discoverable or demonstrable by purely scientific means, unfortunately for the scientifically minded. But that really proves nothing. It simply means that the wrong instruments are being used for the job. ~John Bertram Phillips
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Of course you realize this means war! ~ Bugs Bunny
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August 4th, 2010, 09:14 AM
As far as actual punishment for homosexual haters who advocate for the death penalty for gays, adulterers, fornicators, etc ... I don't believe there should be an actual *legal* penalty.
Punishing someone for having or vocally stating an opinion is supporting *thought crime laws*. In a free society where we value free speech, these type of laws should be repugnant to all.
Do I believe that those who hate homos and want the laws of our great country changed should be treated like any other bigot? Yep ....
However, other than personally shunning those with this mentality, anything else would be contradictory to freedom of thought and speech.
But, to commit one evil (murder) to rectify another evil (homosexuality) is at best insane at worst evil.
Execution of criminals isn't murder. God's judgment calls for their execution. Our laws should do the same.
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7
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Hard work never hurt anybody - but why take the chance !!!
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August 4th, 2010, 09:56 AM
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Leviticus 20
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.
9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
What Punishment do those who Support the Death Penalty for Gays Deserve? - advocates of punishing "gays" for supposedly religious reasons shouldn't be allowed to "cherry pick."
If you're going to cite the Bible as your authority, you've got to accept the "whole package" - starting with Leviticus 20:9.
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Hard work never hurt anybody - but why take the chance !!!
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August 4th, 2010, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chrysostom
what did we do to deserve threads like this?
As a "Right Winger" and a Catholic, this issue must hit close to home.
How does the Catholic Church reconcile its position with the Bible when it refuses to defrock and/or prosecute members of its own clergy that engage in homosexual acts, particularily with children?
I am just coming into this forum's thread. This critique is primarily for the Christians in this thread. Execute homosexuals? That is insane and evil. I am a Christian and I do consider homosexuality to be sin, and all sin is evil.
Why exactly is consensual homosexuality evil? Is it simply because it is religious dogma, an affront to God or is there any real comparison with say murder rape or robbery where actual harm is done?
Some here apparently want gays to be executed, though they cannot show that any absolute wrong exists or demonstrate that their God exists. Nevertheless they want national laws in place and capital punishment based apparently on hearsay and special pleading. For me that is evil.
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Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Que the OT quote mining from the reconstructionists..........
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