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August 4th, 2010, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Freethinker93
Common argument of a christian.
Being against the taking of the life of an innocent, unborn baby has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with advocating protection for those who are innocent and unable to protect themselves.
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It doesn't matter what you feel, it only matters what I feel. Is that really how you go about your day to day life? How sad and unfortunate.
IF RvsW were overturned, would you still be making this same statement? IF it were legal to have slaves or for a parent to beat and kill their BORN children, would you still be making this argument?
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I was not aware that I supposed to be defending my opinion, I was under the impression we were talking about my comment being hijacked by an individual more interested in calling me a murderer than having a serious debate. But if I must defend myself I shall.
In a debate/discussion forum, you will always need to defend your opinion and POV, just as I do. I am not saying that to be snarky, but it's just the way it works. FTR, I am one of the few nonChristians on this boards who is anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, so I am constantly defending my POV to those who believe otherwise. It's actually a good thing because it makes you reevaluate your position and either come to a different conclusion or find better arguments.
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If it is not murder then what is it? Simply, callously, and perhaps coldly, the removal of an unwanted growth from ones body. I see abortion as no different than having a tumor removed. It does not think, it does not speak, I do not feel it is alive. What you call murder, I call removal of an unwanted irritant. Hows that?
EVERY man/woman/boy/girl that lives and breathes are LITERALLY *walking, talking tumors* according to your own logic. Should you or I or one of our loved one's be removed from society because someone places no value in our existence?
I don't think so. Bottomline, unplanned pregnancies are totally avoidable except in cases of rape, which is rare.
Why should an innocent, unborn child be the victim of his/her mother and father's selfish *choice*?
The *choice* should be made PRIOR to getting pregnant.
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August 4th, 2010, 07:41 AM
BTW, in reference to Jefferson's avatar ... IF it offends you, I will tell you the same thing that pro-aborts love to throw out in their defense of slaughtering the unborn:
It's Jefferson's *choice* to offend those who advocate the slaughter of the unborn by making their handiwork visual and unavoidable from the viewers.
It's a stupid picture, why don't you Christians have a pornographic picture of two men together to convince us being gay is evil.
Bad analogy, Doodie.
The abortion equivalent to your "a pornographic picture of two men together" would actually be "a doctor standing between a woman's legs-strapped-to-the-stirrups, having inserted the instruments into her womb and in the process of tearing apart and sucking out the dead child." That would be an inappropriate picture, just as your "two men together" would be an inappropriate picture.
The homosexual equivalent to Jefferson's avatar, however, would be a skin-on-bones homosexual lying in a coffin.
The means are vile, and the results are tragic, in either case.
Randy
Funny how threads morph.
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." ~ Paul
"You should never wave to someone you don't know. What if he doesn't have a hand? Then he'll just think you're being cocky!" ~Mitch Hedberg
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August 4th, 2010, 08:36 AM
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I agree, and I don't like the idea of using a murdered child as a prop.
Nor do I ... however, atleast in this situation the anti-abortion advocates are being consistent. It is already accepted that killing a nine year old child is murder and therefore, there is no reason to post the aftermath.
However, for those who are pro-abort, they are claiming that the intentional killing of an unborn baby is merely the removal of a parasite or single cell.
If that is the case, then all Jefferson is showing is the slicing and dicing of a parasite. Logic would dictate that pro-abortion advocates wouldn't be bothered in the least.
Nor do I ... however, atleast in this situation the anti-abortion advocates are being consistent. It is already accepted that killing a nine year old child is murder and therefore, there is no reason to post the aftermath.
However, for those who are pro-abort, they are claiming that the intentional killing of an unborn baby is merely the removal of a parasite or single cell.
If that is the case, then all Jefferson is showing is the slicing and dicing of a parasite. Logic would dictate that pro-abortion advocates wouldn't be bothered in the least.
I see where you're coming from, and respect your position. My take is a bit of a Spock paraphrase: if we are to assume these children are ours to do with as we wish, we are just as culpable as those who are causing their extermination.
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.
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August 4th, 2010, 09:31 AM
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This has nothing to do with how I feel. It's simply the simple truth, aka fact of the matter.
This is a debate forum, twit. If you're going to state your opinion you better be ready to defend it, because the people here are going to take you to task on it.
That is pathetic justification. And what is it with you and feelings? How does whether or not the child feels alive have anything to do with it? It is alive, even if it has no idea what that means.
As Chris Cornell's theme from Casino Royale goes, "When you take a life do you know what you give? Odds are you won't like what it is."
If you told me it was your opinion that the cup on my desk wasn't white I would tell you the same thing, your opinion is wrong.
"It's not murder if I don't believe it's murder." Is that seriously your stance? That's ridiculously stupid.
My opinion has nothing to do with it. A fact is not an opinion and an opinion is not a fact. And when an opinion disagrees with, or denies, a fact it is wrong. Plain and simple.
The fact is abortion is the intentional taking of the life of an unborn child. That child is, by definition, innocent of any malfeasance whatsoever, let alone atrocities deserving the penalty of death. It is murder to take the life of an innocent human being. Thus it is murder to abort an unborn child. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.
As for the zombie comment:
I must have been confused or vain
to let this evil in my brain.
Lord did I enjoy the change
that you made inside my heart?
Oh here they come
I'm not afraid
there's no temptation I can't evade.
Stand up straight
look through the haze
I begin to walk through the maze
here they come
they're all up on me
but I'm dead to sin like
some kind of zombie.
I hear you speak and I obey
some kind of zombie
I walked away from the grave
some kind of zombie
I will never be afraid
some kind of zombie
I gave my life away.
I'm obliged and obey
I'm enslaved to what you say.
-"Some Kind of Zombie" Some Kind of Zombie
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But we aren't talking about a cup. The color of an object is not subject to objection. It is finite and irrefutable. The same cannot be said for abortion as there is always debate on the subject. Your opinion is that it is alive, as is many others. But the opinion of your opposition is that it is not. You can see it as a clear cut case of black and white, murderers and pro-life, but thankfully I'm not that ignorant or shortsighted.
So you leave me with a zombie poem? How fitting coming from a christian.
morph.
to someone you don't know. What if he doesn't have a hand? Then he'll just think you're being cocky!" ~Mitch Hedberg
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