[patricius79]

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

Amen!

That is Trinitarian doctrine in the East and the West

Squeaky, can you give me one historical source of the N.T. Canon besides Trinitarians like St. Athanasius?

You reject what Jesus said, and what Paul said

no. I just interpret it with the Spirit of the Biblical Church

see also Jn 1:1,14, Jn 20:27-29

Heb 1:8,9,10

1 Jn 5:20

Is 44:6 w/ Rev 1:17-18

Is 43:13 w/ Jn 8:24,28

Jn 8:58 w/ Ex 3:14

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by patricius79

Amen!

That is Trinitarian doctrine in the East and the West

Squeaky, can you give me one historical source of the N.T. Canon besides Trinitarians like St. Athanasius?
no. I just interpret it with the Spirit of the Biblical Church
see also Jn 1:1,14, Jn 20:27-29
Heb 1:8,9,10
1 Jn 5:20
Is 44:6 w/ Rev 1:17-18
Is 43:13 w/ Jn 8:24,28
Jn 8:58 w/ Ex 3:14

I said
Ok I've just got to ask. Now you have afew verses that you keep posting over and over. Why?
I have proven them circumstantial not factual. Now dont get me wrong I'm not the least bit upset with you. Because you do keep my thread at the top of the board. And that only arouses curiosity in others and gets them to read my revelations. Thats a good thing.
And I have already studied them circumstantial verses for the past fifteen years. But what I was wondering is how you learned them verses. Did someone nag you over and over until you gave in? Did someone brow beat you until you agreed with them?

2 Tim 2:14
14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
(NKJ)

I know I have asked you so many questions that you cant answer. So i thought I would try easier questions.

[OMEGA]

You show that Jesus wanted to be Glorified again.

But you will not admit that Jesus was GLorified before the Earth was created.

And now Jesus is a God with His own Thrown just as the Father is
with His own Thrown....

When are you going to admit that your are wrong ?????????

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John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

[patricius79]

Now you have afew verses ...
I have proven them circumstantial not factual.

You have asserted that they are, but the Bible doesn't say that; nor does the Biblical Church.

Your argument from 1 Cor 8:6 is proven false by the fact that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord". cf. 2 Cor 3:16-18

Squeaky, can you give me one historical source of the N.T. Canon besides Trinitarians like St. Athanasius?

also, is there anyone in the first millenium that generally--not just on this issue, but on other issues like baptism/the sacraments--testifies to your interpretations?

Jn 1:1,14, Jn 20:27-29
Heb 1:8,9,10
1 Jn 5:20
Is 44:6 w/ Rev 1:17-18
Is 43:13 w/ Jn 8:24,28
Jn 8:58 w/ Ex 3:14

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by patricius79

You have asserted that they are, but the Bible doesn't say that; nor does the Biblical Church.

Your argument from 1 Cor 8:6 is proven false by the fact that the Holy Spirit is also called "Lord". cf. 2 Cor 3:16-18

Squeaky, can you give me one historical source of the N.T. Canon besides Trinitarians like St. Athanasius?

also, is there anyone in the first millenium that generally--not just on this issue, but on other issues like baptism/the sacraments--testifies to your interpretations?

Jn 1:1,14, Jn 20:27-29
Heb 1:8,9,10
1 Jn 5:20
Is 44:6 w/ Rev 1:17-18
Is 43:13 w/ Jn 8:24,28
Jn 8:58 w/ Ex 3:14

I said
I have proven it. The word "and" does not mean the two are the same being. Look at this verse. They are separated by the "and'. The only LORD God "and" our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:4
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only LORD God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)

John 20-28 is the same "and"

John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
(NKJ)

Again the word "and" separates God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father,

of whom are all things, and we for Him;

and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

You have a misconception of this. That verse is an answer to those who have went through the meat understanding, receiving one verse at a time from the Holy Spirit. Now when they start receiving many verses as a revelation of Jesus Christ. That is when the Lord is behind all the verses given to them. I know because that was how He taught me with the revelations of Jesus Christ. I have been receiving them revelations for 20 years. And I have received over 1500 of them on any given subject in the Word of God.

2 Cor 3:17
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(NKJ)

Now why would I have any historical source when that isnt even in scripture?
I have noticed that you put alot of faith in traditions and people. And you rely alot on the old testament to justify what your saying. You have fallen from grace.
Our liberty and our truth and our salvation has to come from the new testament. And if you try to be justified by anything in the old testament your subject to the whole old testament and you have fallen from grace.

Gal 5:1-4

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)

[Squeaky]

Do you understand what happens when you post something and then cant back it up or explain it??? If someone comes in and refutes what you claim, and you dont explain what you see in what you post. You loose all credibility with the readers. Now if you keep nagging with the same thing that was proven wrong, you only make yourself a heckler. And those who read these threads you leave them with more confusion than they had when they came in here.

2 Tim 2:14
14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
(NKJ)

Matt 18:6
6 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
(NKJ)

[horiturk]

Originally Posted by Bright Raven

John 1:1 (KJV)
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Rev. 19:11-13 (KJV)
11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he who sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood; and his name is called The Word of God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John wrote these things,Jesus did not say them. I'm only interested in what the prophets said and what Jesus said. if you want to get technical we are all sons of God as Jesus said,sons are always technically part of their fathers. We're not literally our father but we are from him.

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by horiturk

John wrote these things,Jesus did not say them. I'm only interested in what the prophets said and what Jesus said. if you want to get technical we are all sons of God as Jesus said,sons are always technically part of their fathers. We're not literally our father but we are from him.

I said
Welcome to the board.

[beloved57]

Jesus has a God as Man, But as God according to His own Divine Nature as the Word, He is God Jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was is in the imperfect tense to denote the simple past tense. To denote that at a time in the past He was God, before His taking on flesh to become a Man Jn 1:

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

When He was Made Flesh, He became Man, but He was God in the Past !

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by beloved57

Jesus has a God as Man, But as God according to His own Divine Nature as the Word, He is God Jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was is in the imperfect tense to denote the simple past tense. To denote that at a time in the past He was God, before His taking on flesh to become a Man Jn 1:

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

When He was Made Flesh, He became Man, but He was God in the Past !

I said
That doesnt make any sense at all. A God cant stop being a God. Jesus wasnt the Word and Jesus wasnt God. Jesus wasnt God, He was God's Son. No more no less.

The word made in verse 14 is so misunderstood. The Word was assembled, brought to the flesh. The Word can be a part of us when it is in us. But the Word is the words from God.

1096 ginomai (ghin'-om-ahee);

a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"- erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):

KJV-- arise, be assembled, be (-come, -fall, -haveself), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

[horiturk]

how are you guys getting the verses to pop open when you move the cursor over them?

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by horiturk

how are you guys getting the verses to pop open when you move the cursor over them?

I said
A little yellow window opens when we put our cursor on the Verse.

[patricius79]

Jn 20:27-29

[Squeaky]

Originally Posted by patricius79

Jn 20:27-29

I said
The very same "and".

John 20:27-29
27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
(NKJ)

Jude 1:4
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only LORD God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)

[Bright Raven]

Whose blood did Jesus have?