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Once i was corrected by stuu concerning the solubility of calcium carbonate. I stated that superheated subterranean waters dissolved most of the limestone we see today. I admitted that hotter water wont dissolve more limestone.
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November 9th, 2010, 03:16 PM
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Once i was corrected by stuu concerning the solubility of calcium carbonate. I stated that superheated subterranean waters dissolved most of the limestone we see today. I admitted that hotter water wont dissolve more limestone.
That is a positive sign.
Do you consider the solubility of calcium carbonate to be a matter of great significance tho?
Hot water might well dissolve more calcium carbonate anyway. Hot water would hold more CO2 / carbonic acid, which is what usually dissolves limestone in nature.
Anyhow, if you wish to present yourself as correctable on matters of fact, we will have to look into this.
The theory involved supercritical subterranean water and im not sure that would be the source of extra co2. I think increased underwater volcansim would produce the extra carbonic acid. I just need to find the circumstances that would precipitate the supersaturated calcium carbonate in a short moment of time. It would have to have been during the cretaceous period since that is where the majority of limestone is found.
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November 9th, 2010, 03:41 PM
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The theory involved supercritical subterranean water and im not sure that would be the source of extra co2. I think increased underwater volcansim would produce the extra carbonic acid. I just need to find the circumstances that would precipitate the supersaturated calcium carbonate in a short moment of time. It would have to have been during the cretaceous period since that is where the majority of limestone is found.
Sheesh. You would not want to consider reading an actual historical geology book would you?
All this limestone you want to dissolve btw, where would it come from?
It is my theory, so far unfalsified by a single exception that I'm willing to read, that no creationist is capable of admitting they are mistaken about any matter or substance related to an evo / creo debate.
Does anyone know of an exception to this?
Fixed it for you.
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Sheesh. You would not want
to consider reading an
actual historical geology
book would you?
All this limestone you want
to dissolve btw, where
would it come from?---Taikoo. Aren't the cretaceous layers the place where most limestone is found? If not, simply correct me. Where did the original limestone come from? It was either one of the first minerals created when God seperated the dry land from the water or calcium carbonate was mixed in with other minerals in preflood rocks.
Sheesh. You would not want
to consider reading an
actual historical geology
book would you?
All this limestone you want
to dissolve btw, where
would it come from?---Taikoo. Aren't the cretaceous layers the place where most limestone is found? If not, simply correct me. Where did the original limestone come from? It was either one of the first minerals created when God seperated the dry land from the water or calcium carbonate was mixed in with other minerals in preflood rocks.
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November 9th, 2010, 05:14 PM
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=taikoo;2475510]It is my theory, so far unfalsified by a single exception, that no creationist is capable of admitting they are mistaken about any matter or substance related to an evo / creo debate.
It is my theory, so far unfalsified by a single exception, that no creationist is capable of admitting they are mistaken about any matter or substance related to an evo / creo debate.
Does anyone know of an exception to this?
I would look to doctrinal integrity for the answer to this one. It isn't that they (or we) can't be wrong but there is an unwillingness to compromise on a truth from God. So, in the short (or long) run, I think it is that championing His truth, and not compromising on that truth that'd I look to in discussions of this nature.
The Bible says things came about, in a strong appearance, a certain way. Science says it came about, again, in a strong appearance, in opposition to that.
Another way of looking at it, would be to consider that there are less than prideful or arrogant reasons for the firm entrenching (though I acquiesce strong debate over such matters).
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November 9th, 2010, 05:27 PM
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may be chronic but it is not incurable.
But see, when you saw your mistake was when you stopped being a creationist, so its not really the same thing as what I was asking about.
Can a creationist who is a creationist ever admit he is wrong about a significant point in a creo / evo debate? Personally I dont think it is possible, because to do so would shatter the illusion they have built up... and would end up, (shudder) like you, freed.
taikoo,
Can an atheist who is an evolutionist ever admit she is wrong about a significant point in a creo / evo debate? Personally I don't think it is possible, because to do so would shatter the illusion they have built up... and would end up, (shudder) like you, trapped."
When you can quote your opponent's argument against him or her, then your opponent is guilty of Special Pleading.
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November 9th, 2010, 05:36 PM
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Another way of looking at it, would be to consider that there are less than prideful or arrogant reasons for the firm entrenching (though I acquiesce strong debate over such matters).
The simplicity of the reaction...the completely unnecessary ferocity of the reaction...the simplistic, fallacious arguments used to attack...all suggest that the mindset behind the attitude is simplistic as well...and that it crossed the line between ignorant naivete and abject, paranoic fear some time ago. Creationists aren't just fighting over an idea...they're fighting for their very lives. At stake is their entire worldview. Their identity. So it's not about science, facts, evidence...it's about psychology.
If man was an animal...then there was no garden, no Adam, no Eve, no serpent, no fall...no disobedience, no falling into God's disfavor, no need for Jesus to save them from original sin...an old Earth. Pretty crushing to see the stuff you may have believed for years as rock-solid truth...vanquished with the wave of an evolutionary hand...or that it has a meaning far different than any you've considered before. And just as fearsome...the notion that you could have been wrong about it without realizing it...which means that it's possible that you might be wrong about a whole lotta other things without realizing it, either. A Pandora's box of personal anxiety...personal insecurity over what's "true".
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=DavisBJ;2475696]Did God leave any information in the geological record? Or the biological record? Or in the light coming from the heavens?
Brian,
There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events that can cause "information" to originate by itself in matter.
And, when information's progress along the chain of transmission events is traced backward, every piece of information leads to a mental source--the mind of the sender.
Now you can study the properties of the physical universe and learn of these properties, but matter will not communicate any intelligent information to you. But you, with a God-given intelligent mind, can encode into information what you have learned from examining matter. And you can transmit this information to other intelligent minds capable of comprehending intelligent information. Information is nonphysical and the nonphysical can't come from the physical. The physical can't give you what it does not have to give.
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