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The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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November 10th, 2010, 12:07 PM
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Information can be made up, via imagination, using our brains, similar to the ToE.
Can you show me an example of information that is NOT dependent on some physical / material container or structure in order to keep the information in place? Are you saying that the brain is not a physical / material container or structure?
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However Darwin died and that information carries on.
How is it carried on...if not in other physical / material containers or structures?
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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November 10th, 2010, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by alwight
Darwin was a creationist himself of course. He was until real first hand observations of nature and the way species adapted, to different environments of different islands, convinced him that natural selection was a crucial factor. With the truth of natural selection (and artificial selection) well established then by extension, the ToE is not really such a big leap of the imagination.
The ToE remains the accepted way that all life developed, not just mankind, by those of all shades of theistic belief. It is not some kind of atheistic plot.
The modern mainstream scientific establishment is commited to naturalism, so in a way it is a plot of unintended consequences.
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You must see clearly the big picture before you can see details.
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November 10th, 2010, 12:08 PM
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=DavisBJ;2476511]Tom, recently you said to me that “If intelligent minds did not exist, then no intelligent information can exist.” If an asteroid were to kill all large life forms on the earth (including all people), yet some small animals, plants, insects, bacteria, etc survived, then it must be that their DNA is no longer “intelligent information”. Would it suddenly quit functioning?
Brian, the answer is no. But I will not let you skip A and go to B. Where did the DNA come from?
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher
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November 10th, 2010, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JWStipple
Can you show me an example of information that is NOT dependent on some physical / material container or structure in order to keep the information in place? Are you saying that the brain is not a physical / material container or structure?
How is it carried on...if not in other physical / material containers or structures?
When we talk, information goes from our brains, through the air, and into someone else's brain. I'm not sure I understand the question. The information changes mediums many times from our brain to someone elses. The information is not medium specific.
The modern mainstream scientific establishment is commited to naturalism, so in a way it is a plot.
Yeah and that naturalism has given you a longer life span, better food, better health, better transportation, even the computer you type on. Some plot.
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley
"Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon
"If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL
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You must see clearly the big picture before you can see details.
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November 10th, 2010, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by taikoo
another lie
taikoo, if it's a lie then you should be able to refute it easily.
In an atheist worldview, morality has to be relative. Do you agree?
If relative, then no behavior can be deemed moral or immoral by anyone. Do you agree?
If no behavior can be deemed moral or immoral in an atheist worldview, then absolute morality can only exist within a Christian worldview. Do you agree. If not, why not?
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the sooner all the animals are extinct, the sooner we will know where all their money is hidden
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November 10th, 2010, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by I aint no monkey
Let me correct that for you. No scientist wanting a paycheck will question evolution.
why do you insist on making up nonsense and, really, just lying?
if.. that is since... you have no actual information on the subject of evolution, certainly nothing to present against it, why not just accept that, and either learn something, or admit you dont have a clue?
I bet you have never met a scientist in your life.
In an atheist worldview, morality has to be relative. Do you agree?
"Has" to be? I'd say it just "is."
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If relative, then no behavior can be deemed moral or immoral by anyone. Do you agree?
Nope, not at all...
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If no behavior can be deemed moral or immoral in an atheist worldview, then absolute morality can only exist within a Christian worldview. Do you agree. If not, why not?
Is Christianity the only organized religion on the planet?
Do you actually believe that you're putting real thought into these questions?
Theocrats are Social Darwinists.
Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.